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Originally Posted by nycgtr View Post

The revo pump top is a good top. He's referring to the reservoir part. EK reservoirs are pretty crap compared to the competition. They feel cheaply made in hand vs something like xspc, monsoon, etc. I have a few from the older days of EK to the newest versions non rgb. I have to say even the older ones were much better in quality.
Fair call but how a res looks is really a matter of personal taste and what suits your built or theme, the only thing I will say is the EK res does scratch easily, though there is a glass version. As stated Im not an EK fanboy but in Australia it is pretty much all you can buy off the shelf and O.P may have the same issue in his country, this is something many in the U.S take for granted smile.gif
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Fair call but how a res looks is really a matter of personal taste and what suits your built or theme, the only thing I will say is the EK res does scratch easily, though there is a glass version. As stated Im not an EK fanboy but in Australia it is pretty much all you can buy off the shelf and O.P may have the same issue in his country, this is something many in the U.S take for granted smile.gif

The person asking the question seemed to be doing so in US English, so I went that way. And, yes, many markets where only EK is readily available is rough. But if you are in the US, spendimg as much or more for lower quality components because a thousand inexperienced water coolers tell you to is silly. How do you take a recommendation on an item from someone who has nothing to compare it to? Happens far too much with EK.

And as @nycgtr pointed out, what I said has nothing to do with looks. My reference was to design, material and build quality. And it extends well beyond the reservoirs. I stand behind my statement of great blocks, some good rads (and the singular worst rad on the market from a name brand in the SE), with everything else being being mediocre. On the plus side, they don't make any bad components aside from the SE. You can simply get better for less or similar cost in the US.
Edited by ciarlatano - 11/23/17 at 8:03am
post #1613 of 1693
Damn it, I figured that was gonna happen...right when I thought I have everything selected, I am back to 0!!! smile.gif
Thanks to all of you for good comments and thanks for the welcome!!!
I did a lot of research so far, days on end, but the more I read the more I flip/flop.
I appreciate the good guidance especially being that I am a complete noob to this.

I have lived for 10 years in the US, hence the US English, but now I am located in Croatia.
So yes, selection is greatly narrowed, but now that I have inspected WATERCOOL Heatkiller products (which are available for me to purchase) I DEFINITELY want their reservoir...it looks miles ahead better of EKWB and aluminum/glass vs plastic.

I am assuming the 150 size is ok?
http://shop.watercool.de/epages/WatercooleK.sf/secd398815a44/?ObjectPath=/Shops/WatercooleK/Products/30204

I definitely would like to have pump/reservoir combo, it's easier than to do a separate pump, and plus I think it looks miles better.
Which D5 would you suggest to go with it?
EKWB D5-PWM or WCP D5-PWM (Watercool) or something else?

Their water block also looks great (I hope it's a good choice?):
http://shop.watercool.de/epages/WatercooleK.sf/secd398815a44/?ObjectPath=/Shops/WatercooleK/Products/18000

For fittings I have decided to use Bitspower, they have some great looking ones, plus come highly recommended by the community.
For the radiator I still think I will stick to EK-CoolStream CE 280, as Watercool doesn't make one in 280 size.
Tubing I was gonna get in 16/10mm (ID 3/8" - OD 5/8") size, from what I read that's optimal for bends and all.
If there is any recommendations for the supplier of it (I did read in this thread that EKWB is good for soft tubing), please go ahead.
Watercool sells Masterkleer 16/10mm, dunno if that's good.

Lastly to go back to my original question I was hoping to use the existing positions that the case offers (that's one of the reasons why I bought it), using the case's pump bracket, and not mount the pump/reservoir to the radiator, but to the case bottom or back (I prefer the vertical mount), that's why I asked the question.

Oh yes, top fans idea is now scrapped, actually pleased with that...less noise, less to clean. smile.gif
Edited by brab - 11/23/17 at 1:59pm
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kgxaYN76_o.jpeg

tempted to change to corsair 570. but hmm first aio and i say i impressed
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kgxaYN76_o.jpeg

tempted to change to corsair 570. but hmm first aio and i say i impressed
Corsair is not near as good quality. I've had experience with clear glass 'things' .. like tables, and a case. A royal pain in the posterior to keep looking good. Fingerprints, dust, anything and everything shows up making them look bad.
post #1616 of 1693
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Originally Posted by brab View Post

So yes, selection is greatly narrowed, but now that I have inspected WATERCOOL Heatkiller products (which are available for me to purchase) I DEFINITELY want their reservoir...it looks miles ahead better of EKWB and aluminum/glass vs plastic.

I am assuming the 150 size is ok?
http://shop.watercool.de/epages/WatercooleK.sf/secd398815a44/?ObjectPath=/Shops/WatercooleK/Products/30204

You have 320mm in height to work with, and the 150 with pump and stand is 250mm tall. So, that will be great if you do front rad only. If you add a top rad, it will get really tight for filling but will still fit.
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Originally Posted by brab View Post

I definitely would like to have pump/reservoir combo, it's easier than to do a separate pump, and plus I think it looks miles better.
Which D5 would you suggest to go with it?
EKWB D5-PWM or WCP D5-PWM (Watercool) or something else?

The actual pump is the same on both, the only difference is the PWM circuit. I'm not aware of issues with either, but you should do a quick search just to be sure.
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Originally Posted by brab View Post

Their water block also looks great (I hope it's a good choice?):
http://shop.watercool.de/epages/WatercooleK.sf/secd398815a44/?ObjectPath=/Shops/WatercooleK/Products/18000

The HeatKillers are generally considered the best CPU block on the market, and tend to show the best results in testing. thumb.gif
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Originally Posted by brab View Post

For fittings I have decided to use Bitspower, they have some great looking ones, plus come highly recommended by the community.
For the radiator I still think I will stick to EK-CoolStream CE 280, as Watercool doesn't make one in 280 size.
Tubing I was gonna get in 16/10mm (ID 3/8" - OD 5/8") size, from what I read that's optimal for bends and all.
If there is any recommendations for the supplier of it (I did read in this thread that EKWB is good for soft tubing), please go ahead.
Watercool sells Masterkleer 16/10mm, dunno if that's good.

16/10 is definitely most users tubing of choice for the reasons you mentioned, and Bitspower fittings are top notch. I believe that the EK tubing is repackaged Primochill, which is a good thing, but I am not 100% certain on that. The EK ZMT tubing is not Primochill, and is a great idea....but also tends to have terrible sizing tolerances and often runs too large in the OD, making it a real PITA to use with anything except EK fittings....which, of course, have issues of their own.
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Originally Posted by brab View Post

Lastly to go back to my original question I was hoping to use the existing positions that the case offers (that's one of the reasons why I bought it), using the case's pump bracket, and not mount the pump/reservoir to the radiator, but to the case bottom or back (I prefer the vertical mount), that's why I asked the question.

Oh yes, top fans idea is now scrapped, actually pleased with that...less noise, less to clean. smile.gif

The HeatKiller mounting kit (http://shop.watercool.de/epages/WatercooleK.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/WatercooleK/Products/30236) looks like it should give you the flexibility to use the existing holes with no drilling. Not a guarantee, but it certainly appears that way.
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Originally Posted by doyll View Post

Corsair is not near as good quality.

After looking at the build and reading the comment about the X62, I am going to go out on a limb and say that "ability to light up" is more important than quality in this case.
post #1618 of 1693
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Originally Posted by ciarlatano View Post

You have 320mm in height to work with, and the 150 with pump and stand is 250mm tall. So, that will be great if you do front rad only. If you add a top rad, it will get really tight for filling but will still fit.
The actual pump is the same on both, the only difference is the PWM circuit. I'm not aware of issues with either, but you should do a quick search just to be sure.
The HeatKillers are generally considered the best CPU block on the market, and tend to show the best results in testing. thumb.gif
16/10 is definitely most users tubing of choice for the reasons you mentioned, and Bitspower fittings are top notch. I believe that the EK tubing is repackaged Primochill, which is a good thing, but I am not 100% certain on that. The EK ZMT tubing is not Primochill, and is a great idea....but also tends to have terrible sizing tolerances and often runs too large in the OD, making it a real PITA to use with anything except EK fittings....which, of course, have issues of their own.
The HeatKiller mounting kit (http://shop.watercool.de/epages/WatercooleK.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/WatercooleK/Products/30236) looks like it should give you the flexibility to use the existing holes with no drilling. Not a guarantee, but it certainly appears that way.

I am SO glad you are thumbs up on most things I wrote! smile.gif

I won't have any 3.5" devices so the pump/reservoir I can mount in the lower possible position, if needed.
Watercooling the GPU I think I will not go for while my 1080Ti is in warranty for sure...maybe after.

So I have narrowed it to:
HEATKILLER® IV PRO (INTEL processor)
HEATKILLER® IV Backplate
HEATKILLER® Tube 150 D5
EK-D5 PWM G2 Motor (checked a lot of text and their PWM circuitry is overall better)

I have spent most of the day reading about radiators and the best choice for performance would for sure be NEMESIS GTR 280 or GTX 280, but I think it's too thick for the front install?
What's your opinion?
When comparing GTS 280 vs EKWB CE280, EKWB is better.
I wanna go with 280mm radiator because 140mm fans are quieter overall.
And I would prefer a front mounted for sure...looks much better than top.

Tubing I will go with PrimoChill PrimoFlex Advanced LRT.

Once I select the radiator then I can order everything...yay!
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Originally Posted by brab View Post

I am SO glad you are thumbs up on most things I wrote! smile.gif

I won't have any 3.5" devices so the pump/reservoir I can mount in the lower possible position, if needed.
Watercooling the GPU I think I will not go for while my 1080Ti is in warranty for sure...maybe after.

So I have narrowed it to:
HEATKILLER® IV PRO (INTEL processor)
HEATKILLER® IV Backplate
HEATKILLER® Tube 150 D5
EK-D5 PWM G2 Motor (checked a lot of text and their PWM circuitry is overall better)

I have spent most of the day reading about radiators and the best choice for performance would for sure be NEMESIS GTR 280 or GTX 280, but I think it's too thick for the front install?
What's your opinion?
When comparing GTS 280 vs EKWB CE280, EKWB is better.
I wanna go with 280mm radiator because 140mm fans are quieter overall.
And I would prefer a front mounted for sure...looks much better than top.

Tubing I will go with PrimoChill PrimoFlex Advanced LRT.

Once I select the radiator then I can order everything...yay!

Well....first off.....the GTS performs better than the CE at low fans speeds, and the CE only matches the GTS at high fan speeds. So, in normal usage, the GTS is a better performing rad - but the difference is extremely minimal. Also, you would need to cut the opening in the PSU shroud to get an HWL rad in there as they run wider than almost any other rad on the market. So, stick with the CE. You have plenty of depth for the GTX or GTR, but it will get in the way of mounting the res where you want to, and you would have to cut the PSU shroud as noted. The CE is a great choice for what you are doing.
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I am SO glad you are thumbs up on most things I wrote! smile.gif

I won't have any 3.5" devices so the pump/reservoir I can mount in the lower possible position, if needed.
Watercooling the GPU I think I will not go for while my 1080Ti is in warranty for sure...maybe after.

So I have narrowed it to:
HEATKILLER® IV PRO (INTEL processor)
HEATKILLER® IV Backplate
HEATKILLER® Tube 150 D5
EK-D5 PWM G2 Motor (checked a lot of text and their PWM circuitry is overall better)

I have spent most of the day reading about radiators and the best choice for performance would for sure be NEMESIS GTR 280 or GTX 280, but I think it's too thick for the front install?
What's your opinion?
When comparing GTS 280 vs EKWB CE280, EKWB is better.
I wanna go with 280mm radiator because 140mm fans are quieter overall.
And I would prefer a front mounted for sure...looks much better than top.

Tubing I will go with PrimoChill PrimoFlex Advanced LRT.

Once I select the radiator then I can order everything...yay!

You can do both. I have a Nemesis GTR in the front and a CE280 up top. A GTX/GTR is too wide to slide through the removable plate without cutting the case.

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