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[EuroGamer] NX won't be sold at a loss

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The NX will not be sold at a loss upon its March 2017 launch, Nintendo president Tatsumi Kimishima has confirmed.

"We are not thinking of launching the hardware at a loss," Kimishima said in a Q&A about the company's latest financial report. This may come as a surprise to some, as the Wii U sold at a loss, as did the PS4, PS3, Xbox 360, and ostensibly Xbox One.

"When Wii U was launched, the yen was very strong. I am assuming that situation will not repeat itself. Selling at a loss at launch would not support the business, so we are keeping that mind in developing NX."
 
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If nintendo still thinks they can make 50 dollars or more on every console they sell, they probably havent learned anything from their mistakes.

They have to sell it for a loss to compete with massive companies like Sony and Microsoft who have been selling their console which has superior hardware at a small loss. Mario and Zelda won't cut it and its not 1986 anymore.

Oh well, who cares. The systems they make are so weak lately that emulation is playable after only 3 years, and I would rather emulate the game anyway so I can play it in 4k.

If the PS4 Neo which has the new 300mm Polaris 11 GPU is gonna sell at 400 dollars, It really doesnt matter what Nintendo does anyway, they've already lost.
 
#3 ·
So when does Nintendo become like SEGA? Just think if they could sell all their amiibos cross platform...
 
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This all but guarantees that the NX will be very underpowered compared to the next gen offering from MS/Sony. Probably barely better than PS4/4.5. This will be the first Nintendo system I don't buy at launch. I'm not jumping on crappy hardware and still have to wait a year for any games worth playing. Sorry Nintendo, I'm done apologizing for you. Zelda Wii U will be the last game I buy for a while from them.
 
#7 ·
I reckon it won't be long until you see Nintendo IPs being sold for use in pachinko machines.
Can't really see them sticking around the home console market much longer, I mean they dominate the handheld market but I don't think their home consoles are going to be around for much longer.

It's a shame too, if their business practices weren't so terrible I would have happily bought a Wii U/3DS.
 
#9 ·
well this is it, they are done as a console maker. who's gonna buy, except biggest fans, another vastly underpowered machine, abandoned by 3rd parties, running games at 800p or 900p or some other odd resolution. nintendo was in a steady decline as a home console maker, with 1 exception that was Wii, but it was a 1 hit wonder and now they are back to their steady decline and inevitable death. i wouldn't be surprised if nintendo has sega's faith by year 2020.

don't worry, we'll still have marios, zeldas and all that, just not on nintendo's own console any more.
 
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Originally Posted by zealord View Post

I thought the PS4 wasn't sold at a loss
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If it did it would have been just a few dollars, it didn't last long. Compared to the PS2 and PS3 it was more "sold at cost"

This negative responses on this thread are absolutely hilarious, Nintendo would never have been in financial trouble in the first place if the Wii U had been sold at cost, Wii U owners aren't making a comparative decision when they buy one, sales numbers literally could not have been worse, selling at a loss was simply an unnecessary risk. Wii U was the first console Nintendo ever sold at a loss (besides 3DS after the first price drop) and hopefully it will be the last. At this point in history Nintendo doesn't have the bank or the diversity to sink billions into a new console every five years, as a company devoted entirely to videogames they never should have considered it.
Hopefully mobile displays are cheap enough now that the NX controller doesn't cost $100 to make, that was one of the biggest problems with the Wii U.

The big question now is whether they ship at $299 or $399, if they ship at $399 then the console will be more powerful than the PS4, even with a tablet controller. Neo of course is a different matter.
 
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Originally Posted by Steffek View Post

And yet you forget to mention the DS and amiibo.
No kidding. It is nuts the amount of Amiibos they have sold it not even funny. They probably could sell more if they make more Pokemon ones (I know I buy them, I'm a sucker for Pokemon figurines)

Seriously, I don't buy Nintendo hardware for high end graphics. I just want to play the games which I know I will have fun playing. The Wii U had a neat idea, just wish they went all the way with it. Though, I don't mind playing on mine. I have not even bother buying a PS4 or Xbone. Nothing on them that interest me and the multiplateform games I can get on my PC anyway. At least I give them one thing about their handheld and console, plug and play made super arse simple. Put the disc in and go.
 
#21 ·
Strong Yen = loss

Weak Yen = profit

I don't think people can take these financial statements as a determination of the console's power because there are a lot of market forces, tax issues, etc. that determine if a console is sold at a "loss."

And the difference between a Gump NX and a Wet Dream NX is only like $20 or $30 in parts.
 
#22 ·
The original Wii was a complete fluke and a fad. Most people that bought the Wii only bought 2-3 games for that system, and after 6 months in went into a drawer never to be used again.

Nintendo doesnt own the handheld market anymore either. The hardware in most phones and tablets nowadays blows away whats inside the 3DS.

People arent gonna go out and spend 200 dollars or more on a nintendo handheld that has inferior hardware to the iphone 6 or the latest samsung galaxy.

It's over for Nintendo. They are finished.

The Amiibos are a fad too. They are happy meal toys with DLC attached. Eventually that will run its course too and they cant be making more than 5 dollars or so on every one sold. Even if they sell 20 million of them, thats still only 100 million dollars, which is the profit margin on one Call of Duty game.

No one is going to buy the handheld or home console version of NX. It will have worse sales than than even the Wii U.
 
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Originally Posted by Steffek View Post

And yet you forget to mention the DS and amiibo.
Because the focus is on the Wii U and it's successor, the Wii U was a colossal failure. The DS and 3DS are highly successful products.

Nintendo use their first party titles to drive sales, something the WII U didn't have much of early in it's lifetime.
There's also no new Zelda games and there's no Metroid.

It's library only recently grew into something decent, but it's still lacking two of the major system sellers for a Nintendo console.

Their home consoles haven't focused much on 3rd parties since the GameCube and the Wii, the WII and WII U have also been consoles that were under-powered hardware-wise compared to their competitors.

However, even with the under-powered hardware Nintendo is now renowned to put in their consoles, they are still able to create great games and consoles which are highly successful. This shows very well that the power of the hardware isn't what sells Nintendo consoles and games.

Nintendo have also done incredibly well without leaning too much towards 3rd party titles, however I would like to see them embrace 3rd parties a bit more with their next console, surely it can't hurt?

With all the talk of Nintendo's next console a lot of people have been hoping for a console which has a decent amount of horsepower under the hood, some of the earlier rumors also painted the picture of a console with fairly powerful hardware.

The N64 and the GameCube were really powerful systems for their time, not selling at a loss could potentially mean that the hardware in the NX won't be very powerful, or AMD's new technology could enable them to put fairly powerful hardware in the system while not selling at a loss.

We don't really know at the moment, it's just speculation. So I suppose it doesn't really matter too much if they don't sell at a loss.

AMD's new technology will be available this year in 2016 and next year 2017, this will most likely be utilized in the new console which is allegedly releasing in March 2017.

2017 is a pretty good time for a new console to release, as new technology will be available from AMD to use in this new machine.
AMD's Polaris GPU architecture, a new architecture on a 14nm process and possibly their Zen CPU architecture too.

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Originally Posted by Lex Luger View Post

The original Wii was a complete fluke and a fad. Most people that bought the Wii only bought 2-3 games for that system, and after 6 months in went into a drawer never to be used again.

Nintendo doesnt own the handheld market anymore either. The hardware in most phones and tablets nowadays blows away whats inside the 3DS.

People arent gonna go out and spend 200 dollars or more on a nintendo handheld that has inferior hardware to the iphone 6 or the latest samsung galaxy.

It's over for Nintendo. They are finished.

The Amiibos are a fad too. They are happy meal toys with DLC attached. Eventually that will run its course too and they cant be making more than 5 dollars or so on every one sold. Even if they sell 20 million of them, thats still only 100 million dollars, which is the profit margin on one Call of Duty game.

No one is going to buy the handheld or home console version of NX. It will have worse sales than than even the Wii U.
Perhaps the Wii was a fluke, or perhaps it wasn't. The WII U tried to ride on it's fame and it failed miserably.

There's a ton of factors which could potentially contribute to this, such as the naming scheme but we're not really certain.

Nintendo's DS and 3DS have been highly successful, the hardware isn't what sells Nintendo consoles, it's the games and the experiences which Nintendo consoles provide.

If you look at the 3DS, it has sold over 50 million units and is doing very well.

The mobile and handheld industry is gigantic, I don't know if it's a good idea to throw mobile phones and handheld games consoles together and say that they are one.

Millions of people buy mobile phones as a form of communication and entertainment, the market is absolutely huge and mobile phones can be seen as a necessity for some people, they're also not without their own problems.

Games consoles are not really seen as a necessity, and are mostly seen as products for entertainment.

It's a huge topic which isn't very easily discussed as there are tons of things you can bring up and discuss.

Amiibos? I have no idea.
 
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Originally Posted by rbarrett96 View Post

This all but guarantees that the NX will be very underpowered compared to the next gen offering from MS/Sony. Probably barely better than PS4/4.5. This will be the first Nintendo system I don't buy at launch. I'm not jumping on crappy hardware and still have to wait a year for any games worth playing. Sorry Nintendo, I'm done apologizing for you. Zelda Wii U will be the last game I buy for a while from them.
Underpowered compared to what? Keep in mind that PS4k/NEO is coming in at 399.99 and imo @ 399.99 they can have a comparable machine, which with Nintendo magic will be amazing.

Like you though Zelda U is my last purchase and then I play the watch and wait game.
 
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Originally Posted by TopicClocker View Post

Because the focus is on the Wii U and it's successor, the Wii U was a colossal failure. The DS and 3DS are highly successful products.

Nintendo use their first party titles to drive sales, something the WII U didn't have much of early in it's lifetime.
There's also no new Zelda games and there's no Metroid.

It's library only recently grew into something decent, but it's still lacking two of the major system sellers for a Nintendo console.

Their home consoles haven't focused much on 3rd parties since the GameCube and the Wii, the WII and WII U have also been consoles that were under-powered hardware-wise compared to their competitors.

However, even with the under-powered hardware Nintendo is now renowned to put in their consoles, they are still able to create great games and consoles which are highly successful. This shows very well that the power of the hardware isn't what sells Nintendo consoles and games.
That's the thing though their game IPs are what Nintendo fans want not necessarily their console.

Yes, Wii brought in people to try something new, and the regulars bought it anyhow for Mario/Zelda/SB/MKart despite the controls. It is pretty clear from WiiU sales that all the extra people who bought Wiis didn't translate into diehard Nintendo fans though. Nintendo's passion is clearly their games so why even muck around with a home console anymore?
 
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