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post #21 of 26
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DerComissar: Do you have any suggestions on how to route the tubing under the pass through with both HDD cages in place? One of the biggest reasons why I got the pedestal to begin with is so I could populate those bays without compromising the cooling capacity.
post #22 of 26
You could route the reservoir outlet tube from one of the bottom side ports, to your pump(s) base.
This would allow you to bypass, and avoid any conflict with the hdd cages, as opposed to routing the reservoir outlet right through the pass-through fitting.

I found either method worked well.

It also depends on which pump(s) and base you choose, and where you install them.

I assume you would like to have the reservoir showing through the front window of the S8, which is a popular choice for those who get the front window option on the S8.
That's where I found a pass-through fitting provided a convenient mount for the reservoir.
    
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post #23 of 26
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If I go with your suggestion, how do I both use the pass-through fitting as a mount, and keep it plugged if I am only using it as a structural element? I was wondering if maybe there was enough space under the mid plate to put in a 90 degree joint immediately underneath the pass-through, so that it doesn't interfere with the drives, but I cannot tell if there is even room for that.

I am starting to consider the X360 kit from EK more, as the rad is about twice as thick as the P360 version, which I am hoping will make it so I don't need a second rad until I start overclocking more than the CPU. This is something I would like confirmation on by the way, I do not have a firm grasp on how rad thickness increases cooling performance.
Edited by Elanachan - 5/8/16 at 8:28am
post #24 of 26
I just used a male-male fitting to connect the res. base to the pass through, with a stop plug to seal it off.

When I was running the coolant through the pass through mount, I did wind up using angled adapters, as my pumps weren't mounted directly under the res.
But idk if that will clear the hdd cage, perhaps one less cage installed in that area would allow you more room for the res to pump area.
But then that's less drives, unless you can find an alternate spot for it.

As far as rad thickness, I personally prefer the "fat" rads, with lower fpi fin count, running the fans at a little lower speed.
Not because there was much if any performance difference for me, however.

I've had some thinner rads with higher fpi, but I found that I had to run the fans a bit faster to get similar performance.
But there really wasn't much difference in temps. overall between the two types in my very unscientific testing, just the fan speeds required.

You had mentioned earlier, in post#12, that you weren't ruling out the possibility of building your own setup from the ground up.
I would give that some consideration, a custom loop really is the better way to go.

You can still buy whatever brands of parts you like, and EK does make some great gear.
Yes it's more research into what to get, but that's the fun of this hobby, lol.
    
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post #25 of 26
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Hello there. I finally have something new to add when it comes to the build design. I managed to get a hold of the manual for the G1 and SOC boards from gigabyte and consulted them to figure out what kind of configurations are possible. Now that I have done that, I am looking for advice on how to configure the drives. It turns out the two drives I got in advance are infact SATA M.2, which uses the B+M key connector. This means that the two one terabyte drives should preform with similar results to standard 2.5" SSDs due to the fact the maximum speed they are rated for is 6.0Gbps. If my theory is correct, because these are indeed treated as standard SATA drives on the part of the Intel SATA controller, that means I could use them in a RAID array with standard 2.5" drives. In addition to this, some of the SATA ports are blocked out so that the M.2 ports may be used.

The SATA port configuration of the motherboard looks something like this, I will be posting the SOC config as well In the diagram, SATAE stands for the third plug used in a SATA Express setup:

Gaming G1:
SATA3_9 SATAE_2 SATA3_5 SATA3_4 BLANKl_0 SATA3_7 SATA3_6
SATA3_8 SATAE_0 SATA3_1 SATA3_0 SATAE_1 SATA3_3 SATA3_2

SOC Force:
SATAE_2 SATA3_5 SATA3_4 BLANKl_0 SATA3_7 SATA3_6
SATAE_0 SATA3_1 SATA3_0 SATAE_1 SATA3_3 SATA3_2

Cross-referencing the diagram with another chart within the manual, in the case of the G1 board, by populating the two M.2 ports with M.2 SATA drives in a raid array, ports SATA3_0 and SATA3_4 are disabled for use as standard SATA ports, SATAE_0, SATA3_1 and SATA3_0 however can still be used in SATA Express configuration, which I would probably make use of to connect the front IO USB3.1 header that comes with the board.

The SOC board has the same limitation, only this time with a third M.2 drive, SATA3_3 is also disabled, depending on how many of the M.2 bays are being used.

So now I am at a bit of a crossroads on which direction to take the build. I say this because I origionally had intended on using the two M.2 drives in RAID 1 specifically for the operating system, and have four to six 2.5" SSDs in RAID 10 for primary file storage, and then game storage once the RAID controler card and platter drive array are added later on.

Option one would be to have the two M.2 drives in RAID 1 like in the original concept and turn the three 2.5" drives into a small RAID 5 array.

Option two, assuming the controller would support it is to group all five drives into a larger RAID 5 array.

Option three, again, if the hardware supports it, would be to set up a four drive RAID 10 with half of the drives using the M.2 interface, and the other half using standard SATA.

Assuming all three options are viable, which would you suggest?

In the case of the SOC board, the options are a little bit more versatile, but not by a whole lot, as the board has two less total SATA ports.

If I continue to use a total of only two M.2 drives instead of filling up all three slots, I would have four SATA ports on the controller available because the board does not include the USB 3.1 header. This would allow for the same configurations mentioned above, plus once again having the RAID 1 option with a four drive RAID 10.

Edit: It also just occurred to me that IF the M.2 SATA drives are cross-compatible with the standard SATA SSDs, I may be able to set up the RAID 10 on the SOC board with three 2.5" drives, with the fourth occupying the third M.2 slot. No idea if this would actually work, but it's a thought.

Edit 2: The final option I neglected to mention would be to not use the USB 3.1 IO unit that plugs into a SATA Express port on the G1 board and go with the option mentioned with the SOC board of using four SATA drives in RAID 10.
Edited by Elanachan - 5/14/16 at 10:05am
post #26 of 26
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Okay, time for a somewhat major update. First of all, I ended up going with the G1 board, it is installed along with the M.2 drives and the power supply.. The plumbing for the cooling system is either here or on it's way, and everything I have that isn't plumbing related has been installed inside the case, minus the optical drive from my old computer.

I am now at the stage to be looking at pump and fan control methods, and I am not quite sure how to hook them up. The fans are six EK-Vardar F3-120 (1850rpm)s for the 360 radiator, and I also got the D5 Vario pump, which has manual speed settings, it does NOT have PWM (Phase-width modulation) the fans on the other hand do. So, my question now is, how do I properly hook up the fans and pump as far as motherboard headers, and should I use the remaining three 120 fan mounts for cooling the upper part of the case not cooled by the water loop? The radiator is contained within the pedestal in the bottom of the case.

I will be posting pictures when I can find time to offload them from my camera.
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