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Quick boot times have saved my butt too many times with things like recovering from crashes durring competetive gaming where there is a reconnect timer, so I want to avoid adding to my boot time with things like Clover for my Windows boot, will just use the Windows bootloader to boot to Clover for OSX and Grub2 for Ubuntu.

Now I'm just split on how to best utilize all 4 slots with 950/nvme/RAID combos...

And yeah, I'm not touching Windows 10 with a ten foot pole, maybe once the community has had it's hands on it long enough to purge it of all the spyware and other issues. If Micorsoft doesn't get it's **** together by Windows 11, or whatever the next iteration will be called, I'm just gonna migrate to Linux/OSX and only keep W7 around for gaming.

My problem is I cant get myself to use older operating systems. I see Win7 as a dinosaur and things like updating is a pain that I always force myself through. I need it to be 2017 up to date software or I don't feel right with the world. Coming across KDE Neon with Xanmod kernel and the latest Vulkan+MESA drivers was a godsend. Just how much more perfect KDE is over explorer blows my fracken mind literally. After the last 6 months not one single KDE crash, not one tiny itty bitty problem what so ever, but already today before Windows is even 6 hours old I have already had several Explorer crashes doing super simple things, several Defender file hijacks claiming this or that is a virus, etc etc. I just can't get over how bad Windows is in general and I been using Microsoft since Windows 3. I just keep wondering if it has to do with Windows or is it my aging computer? And if its my Intel Xeon at fault or my Rampage III, then why doesn't it affect any Linux distro I install? I also keep wondering if a new system would alleviate my Windblows woes...

I used to love Windows, but now it almost makes me want to completely give up on using computers.... I would kill to get the industry to start releasing every game, every app and every driver just for Linux instead. lol
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Even if I wanted to update, things like my Ceton InfiniTV4 are holding me back because Microsoft got rid of WMC in Windows 8 and up, and it relys on WMC for being able to watch and record any copyright protected material. Only new thing that has me sort of interested in upgrading is DX12, but so far havn't really run into any games I want to play that don't support DX11 or lower, and even the ones that do support DX12 arn't very well optimized and somtimes perform worse when compared to DX11 mode.

Might think about it if my InfiniTV4 dies, though even then, unless enough games started becoming DX12 only, I think I would rather just stick with W7 and just upgrade to a newer InfiniTV6.
Edited by Oleh - 10/18/17 at 10:18pm
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My problem is I cant get myself to use older operating systems. I see Win7 as a dinosaur and things like updating is a pain that I always force myself through. I need it to be 2017 up to date software or I don't feel right with the world. Coming across KDE Neon with Xanmod kernel and the latest Vulkan+MESA drivers was a godsend. Just how much more perfect KDE is over explorer blows my fracken mind literally. After the last 6 months not one single KDE crash, not one tiny itty bitty problem what so ever, but already today before Windows is even 6 hours old I have already had several Explorer crashes doing super simple things, several Defender file hijacks claiming this or that is a virus, etc etc. I just can't get over how bad Windows is in general and I been using Microsoft since Windows 3. I just keep wondering if it has to do with Windows or is it my aging computer? And if its my Intel Xeon at fault or my Rampage III, then why doesn't it affect any Linux distro I install? I also keep wondering if a new system would alleviate my Windblows woes...

I used to love Windows, but now it almost makes me want to completely give up on using computers.... I would kill to get the industry to start releasing every game, every app and every driver just for Linux instead. lol

Just got the 950 pro and it is indeed showing up in BIOS as an IDE drive. Only issue is I have to use AHCI or IDE mode and can't use RAID mode with the intel raid controller. Now I just gotta figure out if I'm gonna go software raid or hardware raid for the rest of my drives. You know any good pci-e x4/x8 6Gb/s SATA cards with proper hardware RAID that uses jumpers or somthing instead of the BIOS setup method?

Want to put the two SATA SSDs to good use and run all my games off of them since the M.2 wouldn't really make much of a difference for gaming compared to them anyway.
Edited by Oleh - 10/20/17 at 9:46am
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Just got the 950 pro and it is indeed showing up in BIOS as an IDE drive. Only issue is I have to use AHCI or IDE mode and can't use RAID mode with the intel raid controller. Now I just gotta figure out if I'm gonna go software raid or hardware raid for the rest of my drives. You know any good pci-e x4/x8 6Gb/s SATA cards with proper hardware RAID that uses jumpers or somthing instead of the BIOS setup method?

Want to put the two SATA SSDs to good use and run all my games off of them since the M.2 wouldn't really make much of a difference for gaming compared to them anyway.

Install Windows to the 950 with BIOS set as AHCI (950 should still show up just fine), then once it is installed and set as #1 boot drive put the machine into raid mode and reboot to see if you can still boot to it. I heard that people could still use raid mode even though the 950 shows up as IDE. Remember the OS does not care what mode you use in your bios because it will use NVMe instead regardless of what you set in your BIOS to. Having legacy IDE in the 950's firmware was just so that BIOS's could see it and list it as bootable, nothing more. So under RAID mode the BIOS "should" still see AND still boot that drive just fine.

You need RAID mode if you want to avoid trying to find a decent yet expensive raid card. IRST would be far better than software raid, but probably not better than a good raid card. A cheap raid card may not be any better than software raid. Its been a while since I used IRST or a raid card, so I apologize if I am wrong..
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I'll try it out. Still would be good to get a good hardware raid controller with true 6gb/s since the built in marvel raid controller is crap and I have to use sata 2 ports which limits my ssds to 500MB/s in raid 0 instead of the 1gb/s they should be hitting.

Edit: So it's looking like the RAID might work fine in AHCI mode, the RAID array just won't show up in Bios, but obviously that's not a problem. Seeing the "copying windows files" section only blink for a split second before setting up the files was great.
Edited by Oleh - 10/20/17 at 1:14pm
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I'll try it out. Still would be good to get a good hardware raid controller with true 6gb/s since the built in marvel raid controller is crap and I have to use sata 2 ports which limits my ssds to 500MB/s in raid 0 instead of the 1gb/s they should be hitting.

Edit: So it's looking like the RAID might work fine in AHCI mode, the RAID array just won't show up in Bios, but obviously that's not a problem. Seeing the "copying windows files" section only blink for a split second before setting up the files was great.

Yeah your board seems strange to me. When I had RAID on my IRST, and or my Marvel I could see both raid arrays in my BIOS just fine, and I could boot to them in fact. I used Intel IRST (raid 0) for Windows 7 and Marvel for my Linux distro of choice back then. That way I didn't have to use the bootloader (grub or Windows) to select an OS and only used the BIOS's F8 instead, which worked brilliantly as my bootloader, lol. Anyway, it seems strange that your sata based RAID isn't seen in your BIOS. Or if your using software raid in the OS, it should still see them as individual drives in your BIOS, so yeah I am confused on that one.

However, it sounds like you might have it under control and venturing into a new awesome storage setup. With my current setup I enabled sata port #1 (intel) and then put one of my old Samsung 850 Pros on it for cloud storage backups (mega, dropbox, onedrive and the default Windows Downloads folder), then I put my other Samsung 840 Pro on one of the USB 3.1 ports and I am using that for my Pictures, Documents and Video folders (using the relocation feature of explorer). That way the NVMe SSD is strictly for the OS, Apps, Programs and Games, everything that actually needs high performance.

Well after the update from OS Build 16299.15 to 16299.19 I am actually finding this new 1709 to be quite speedy. When I left Windows 10 about 6 months ago Chrome and Windows in general just felt like crap, and Chrome seemed very slow to me. But now Chrome is feeling every bit as fast as it did on Linux. I hope this keeps up. One thing I never did like about Windows was how slot it was at moving data, every time you moved something large around it would drop to stupid speeds of like 5 kb/s, 16kb/s 5, mb/s etc etc, and then jump up to 90 mb/s and sometimes maybe even full speeds like 250 or so. But on Linux data also moved at tops speeds and never ever dropped like it does on Windows.

I always wondered why Windows can't keep file transfers at top speed like Linux seems to do. With Linux it just maxes out my network but with Windows its always hit and miss. I hope that improves.
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Yeah your board seems strange to me. When I had RAID on my IRST, and or my Marvel I could see both raid arrays in my BIOS just fine, and I could boot to them in fact. I used Intel IRST (raid 0) for Windows 7 and Marvel for my Linux distro of choice back then. That way I didn't have to use the bootloader (grub or Windows) to select an OS and only used the BIOS's F8 instead, which worked brilliantly as my bootloader, lol. Anyway, it seems strange that your sata based RAID isn't seen in your BIOS. Or if your using software raid in the OS, it should still see them as individual drives in your BIOS, so yeah I am confused on that one.

However, it sounds like you might have it under control and venturing into a new awesome storage setup. With my current setup I enabled sata port #1 (intel) and then put one of my old Samsung 850 Pros on it for cloud storage backups (mega, dropbox, onedrive and the default Windows Downloads folder), then I put my other Samsung 840 Pro on one of the USB 3.1 ports and I am using that for my Pictures, Documents and Video folders (using the relocation feature of explorer). That way the NVMe SSD is strictly for the OS, Apps, Programs and Games, everything that actually needs high performance.

Well after the update from OS Build 16299.15 to 16299.19 I am actually finding this new 1709 to be quite speedy. When I left Windows 10 about 6 months ago Chrome and Windows in general just felt like crap, and Chrome seemed very slow to me. But now Chrome is feeling every bit as fast as it did on Linux. I hope this keeps up. One thing I never did like about Windows was how slot it was at moving data, every time you moved something large around it would drop to stupid speeds of like 5 kb/s, 16kb/s 5, mb/s etc etc, and then jump up to 90 mb/s and sometimes maybe even full speeds like 250 or so. But on Linux data also moved at tops speeds and never ever dropped like it does on Windows.

I always wondered why Windows can't keep file transfers at top speed like Linux seems to do. With Linux it just maxes out my network but with Windows its always hit and miss. I hope that improves.

The arrays show up fine when the BIOS is in RAID mode, but then I can't see the 950. In AHCI mode I'm able to see the 950, but bios lists my drives as individual drives instead of the arrays. Might be mistaken, but I think OS can see the RAID array even with bios in AHCI mode, but no way to boot to the 950 in RAID mode.

Anyways, running into major issues with my the modular cables on my PSU randomly disconnecting and causing a full system shutdown, so have to wait till I get some new replacement cables to keep testing, otherwise I might go crazy trying to set everything up while constantly adjusting that damn cable with constant crashing.
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OK I understand now. That sucks because I was sure I had read that you could put the ICH10R into RAID mode and still see IDE devices listed. And clover is out of the question because of the extra time for booting???
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OK I understand now. That sucks because I was sure I had read that you could put the ICH10R into RAID mode and still see IDE devices listed. And clover is out of the question because of the extra time for booting???

Everything hooked up the the Marvell 6GB/s ports (my DVD burner and media center HD) shows up as IDE in BIOS, even in RAID mode, just not the 950 for some weird reason. Tried disabling both the Marvell and Intel ports to see if maybe that would let it show up, but still no luck. I'll try re-flashing my BIOS to see if that helps, maybe all these power issues partially corrupted it or somthing. And yeah, I want to stay away from adding onto my Windows boot time with Clover.

Worst case senatio I can just re-make my array with software RAID once booted, don't need the RAID to boot anyway since I'll be booting from the 950, just gonna be used as storage.
Edited by Oleh - 10/20/17 at 5:36pm
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Might have an issue with the adapter card, this video is saying you need to be able to set you slot from x16 to x4/x4/x4/x4 mode in BIOS to support it. Will have to wait and see untill the quad m.2 card comes to see if that's going to cause issues.

You were talking about modding BIOS, you think adding that mode would be do-able if it doesn't work?
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