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A mass ban just happened and those banned are reporting that even if they get a new copy of the game, they are getting banned within 24 hours even if they didn't hack on the new copy.

http://www.pcgamer.com/overwatch-cheaters-are-having-a-hard-time/

This is just what the game needs! Show the hackers who's the boss! biggrin.gif
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This is just what the game needs! Show the hackers who's the boss! biggrin.gif

Double edged sword, banning a cheater after they re-purchase seems a little silly, That may actually get them in a bit of legal trouble if the situation of cheater cheats, gets banned, buys new copy, gets banned without cheating, does a chargeback since they can't play the game they purchased (and did not break the ToS) then get their entire bnet account closed. I'm not really siding with cheaters or anything, I'm just pointing out that doing something like this to the wrong person is a whole lot like smoking in a grain shaft. Eventually, something bad is gonna come of it.
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Or not. I love that they're doing this.
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Double edged sword, banning a cheater after they re-purchase seems a little silly, That may actually get them in a bit of legal trouble if the situation of cheater cheats, gets banned, buys new copy, gets banned without cheating, does a chargeback since they can't play the game they purchased (and did not break the ToS) then get their entire bnet account closed. I'm not really siding with cheaters or anything, I'm just pointing out that doing something like this to the wrong person is a whole lot like smoking in a grain shaft. Eventually, something bad is gonna come of it.

If they violated the terms to the point of a permanent ban does buying the game a 2nd time wipe their previous actions?
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If they violated the terms to the point of a permanent ban does buying the game a 2nd time wipe their previous actions?

Yes because they were perma banned on the copy of the game they purchased. Perma banning on future transactions, provided the ToS is followed doesn't make any sense. At that point they'd have is exercise their right to refuse a customer and refund their money since they did not break the ToS the 2nd time.

A ToS doesn't include future purchases, at best it could include future purchases if those purchases are all under a singular company-wide account.

Example:

Say I have the Blizzard account seemorebutts. I break the ToS for X game, get perma banned. If the ToS stipulate as such, they could potentially perma ban my future purchases for the account seemorebutts.

If I however, instead make a new account: shutupandtakemymoney, that ToS does not interact with the ToS for seemorebutts. They are entirely separate accounts.

This is pretty similar to inherited debt in principal because Blizzard has no clue if it's you or your father buying the game. And last I checked if your father racks up a $100k debt, you, as the son are not responsible for that debt.

Example 2:

If John Doe commits treason, are you responsible for that treason when as far as the law can tell, you have zero provable affiliation with John Doe?

I'm not defending hackers as much as I'm questioning the legality of what is going on right now, because if taken to court and I was a judge, I'd be in favor of the plaintiff's position because for the purpose of a ToS, the account (be it game account OR company-wide account) is a singular person/entity and therefore would have the ToS applied to that respective account. Another account could not be held liable for the transgressions of the previously mentioned account.

You can't sue Samsung for Apple's battery exploding and burning your thigh.
Edited by DIYDeath - 6/2/16 at 12:29pm
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I'm going to bet that there is some way for them to figure out it's the same person. How are they paying for the game? Same credit card? There has to be something similar between the two that's getting the new account banned. Blizzard isn't stupid and isn't going to just ban people because they think they're the same person without any sort of recourse. I'm guess if someone gets banned that wasn't supposed to they will have a repeal system that will have them show proof that they're not the person from the other account.
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Just because the new account did not violate the terms though, doesn't mean it should wipe the violations of the person who was banned. What purpose does it serve to ban someone only to let them back just by purchasing a new copy of the game and violate the ToS all over again?
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I'm going to bet that there is some way for them to figure out it's the same person. How are they paying for the game? Same credit card? There has to be something similar between the two that's getting the new account banned. Blizzard isn't stupid and isn't going to just ban people because they think they're the same person without any sort of recourse. I'm guess if someone gets banned that wasn't supposed to they will have a repeal system that will have them show proof that they're not the person from the other account.

That's not the issue, however. They could know for certain it's the same person. But the ToS is for the account, not the person. 1 ToS cannot apply to two separate accounts. If Blizzard barred having multiple accounts for a single person then they could ban the first and second accounts for a breach of the ToS. But Blizzard don't ban the use of a second account per person. If they did there would be a lot of "pro" gamers who would be livid and it would be a direct detriment to their esports scene as pros often have multiple accounts with barcode names to help disguise strategies they test on ladder in regards to starcraft 2.

Blizzard bungled this hard from a legal perspective. Not sure who they had vet this from their legal department...but they must have gotten their law degree from Costco.
Edited by DIYDeath - 6/2/16 at 12:44pm
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Just because the new account did not violate the terms though, doesn't mean it should wipe the violations of the person who was banned. What purpose does it serve to ban someone only to let them back just by purchasing a new copy of the game and violate the ToS all over again?

A lot of companies after banning you allows you to come back because the thought process is that they have learned lesson to not do it again because you personally lost monetary value, and now have to repay again to play.

I know for steam if you get banned, just make another account and rebuy.
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Just because the new account did not violate the terms though, doesn't mean it should wipe the violations of the person who was banned. What purpose does it serve to ban someone only to let them back just by purchasing a new copy of the game and violate the ToS all over again?

In Diablo 3, you can get banned and then purchase a new key and add it to your existing account and play with the same account you did before. Only you start from scratch.
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