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So which products will be announced today/tomorrow? I remember reading a post earlier where someone said "some" products will be announced today/tomorrow.
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So which products will be announced today/tomorrow? I remember reading a post earlier where someone said "some" products will be announced today/tomorrow.

No one knows. It's the riddle of the Sphinx.
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IPC matters... or it doesnt.

But here is simple math.
R9 390X die size is 438mm^2. Polaris 10 is around 232m^2. 14nm FINFETs are showing even better results than 16nmFINFETs.

So AMD would simply renbrand R9 390X arch to 14nmFINFETs and mostly got better performance out of it.

There is no strong evidence to what is better: 14nm LPP or 16nm FF/FF+
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14nm FINFETs are showing even better results than 16nmFINFETs.

The only real side by side comparison we have of the two techs is the Apple A9 which utilized both fab techs due to low yields in early production.

TSMC 16nm on left, Samsung 14nm on right:





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Based on the results of our testing, it's clear that both versions of Apple's A9 SoC deliver the same level of performance, but Samsung's 14nm FinFET process appears to offer slightly better power efficiency, extending battery life between 3.5-10.8 percent. This is a little more than the 2-3 percent quoted by Apple, but not much, and it equates to only about 5-15 minutes of runtime under the most extreme conditions.

Edited by Slomo4shO - 5/30/16 at 8:45am
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The only real side by side comparison we have of the two techs is the Apple A9 which utilized both fab techs due to low yields in early production.

TSMC 16nm on left, Samsung 14nm on right:





That's LPE, not LPP
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The only real side by side comparison we have of the two techs is the Apple A9 which utilized both fab techs due to low yields in early production.

TSMC 16nm on left, Samsung 14nm on right:





Toms was the only tester that got better results using samsung. Pretty much every other source out there got better using the tsmc version.


http://arstechnica.com/apple/2015/10/samsung-vs-tsmc-comparing-the-battery-life-of-two-apple-a9s/

http://9to5mac.com/2015/10/08/tsmc-iphone-6s-samsung-chipgate/

https://www.reddit.com/r/iphone/comments/3nn00t/live_test_results_iphone_6s_samsung_14nm_vs_tsmc/cvpns61

What people have to realize is that the 390x was pushed in excess of it's comfortable sweet spot for performance per watt and it's why it's performance was so good for it's die size. It was basically an overclocked 290x and it's why the difference in performance was there, even those it was the same chip with just a bit faster memory.

The same trend is even present with the gtx 1080. If we compare the 1080 to factory overclocked AIB gtx 980 ti, it actually barely wins or matches it potentially.

The thing is, Nvidia was always in a position for pascal compared to maxwell, to trade performance per watt for higher clocks. And they did this with pascal. Pascal eats into alot of it's headroom and performance per watt, to increase it's performance comfortably above a stock gtx 980 ti. Nvidia could afford to do this because the gtx 980 which the 1080 is the successor to, was a 165watt card. So it could afford to lose some of it's performance per watt, so Nvidia overclocked pascal a bit, gave it some gddr5x to save some power and turned it into a titan x beater at 180watts.

The 390x on the other hand is a 275watt card, tonga has roughly the same performance per watt as well for a 180watt card. This means AMD has alot more work to do than Nvidia. What this means is for AMD to fit 390x performance into 120 watt profile, they have to make a big sacriface as far as clocks go. This is because with both processes, there is a 60% reduction in power, when the frequency of the chip is not changed, or a 50% increase in performance with similar wattage. The more clocks you add, the less power that is saved. So what this means is AMD is more likely to keep it's clocks similar to it's 28nm parts to translate much of it into power savings. Maybe a 10-15% increase I am thinking.

Considering the 390x is a 275watt card, AMD can't really afford to clock polaris 10 high like Nvidia and Pascal. Particularly because this is a mainstream card and many OEMS want a card that fit under 130watts and will want blower fans as well.




Add in that the a9 was originally supposed to be an all samsung order then got switched to a tsmc order as well, and there are clearly something iffy about samsungs process.
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Hey everyone.

Just a reminder, 6 hours to go. Any predictions?

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Hey everyone.

Just a reminder, 6 hours to go. Any predictions?



May 31 taiwanese or may 31 relative to CDT(Central time right now is only the 30th). The CDT I would think implies tommorrow
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I predict that many people will be pleasantly surprised, and that a certain subset of people will, regardless of what is revealed, say something like: "Unless this card is faster than SLI 1080 for $200 there is no reason for it to exist."

 

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May 31 taiwanese or may 31 relative to CDT(Central time right now is only the 30th). The CDT I would think implies tommorrow
 
Hm, that is probably correct. How odd though; I'm used to seeing Pacific or Eastern time from US companies.

Edited by SuperZan - 5/30/16 at 1:10pm
     
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