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That would be nice.

This has been the only AMD release since Thuban that im excited for,hopefully mobo makers will give it some real attention instead of the lacklustre efforts like the 9XX boards.
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This has been the only AMD release since Thuban that im excited for,hopefully mobo makers will give it some real attention instead of the lacklustre efforts like the 9XX boards.

 

True, there are only two boards I'd buy for an AM3+ system (Sabertooth and CHVFZ) and even those are badly outdated due to the age of the platform. Chipset quality will be a major factor in how keen I am on Zen, very true.

     
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True, there are only two boards I'd buy for an AM3+ system (Sabertooth and CHVFZ) and even those are badly outdated due to the age of the platform. Chipset quality will be a major factor in how keen I am on Zen, very true.

I had a Sabertooth,solid board.

I think the 790 board I had was better tho,better clocker for sure with the same chip....sadly it was in the splendid Gigadoodleblue tho.
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True, there are only two boards I'd buy for an AM3+ system (Sabertooth and CHVFZ) and even those are badly outdated due to the age of the platform. Chipset quality will be a major factor in how keen I am on Zen, very true.

CHVFZ is most likely what I will pair a zen CPU with. But maybe we will see something new from Asus for zen closer to a Rampage board.
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I remember buying a 990FX motherboard before bulldozer was launched. (had a 1090T back then and was a big AMD fan) I won't believe anything until I see benchmarks sorry AMD fool me once you can't fool me twice
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I'm not really sure what you mean. An FX-9590 and motherboard together run about $350. No special power supply is needed. No overclocking is needed. No special heatsink is required.

you do need a decent cooler to prevent thermal throttling, but pretty much any aftermarket heatsink will work.

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Don't 9590's come with a clc water cooler? I think he/she meant you don't need to add to that $350 by buying a better cooler.

When they first came out, they came with the clc. You can buy just the oem chip now, which don't come with a cooler.

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Does that mean quad core for 230$ and quad with 8 threads for 300$?

as far as I know AMD will not be releasing anything less than 6 cores at first. AMD will release 4 core parts later down the road in their apu line.

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Originally Posted by Scorpion49 View Post

No, they don't. You can pay extra for the special edition with a garbage 120mm CLC but the "cheap" 9590 is just the chip only. Its a waste of money anyways, an 8370 is cheaper and will likely clock higher.

i wouldn't call it garbage, they are decent units. When the 9590 was first released it was 999$ and came with that cooler, you couldn't buy just the cpu for awhile.

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Well, looking at newegg really quick, i5 6500 $200, Gigabyte GA-H110M $55, so $255.

FX8300-99$ cheap board 50$, so 150$. The I5 is a better cpu in most cases, but not all. It doesn't make much sense to recommend AMD cpus on any pc build over 600$

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A decade-old $30 heatsink I had on my shelf cooled an FX-9590 under full load without any problem. I consider that to be no special heatsink. You may keep your bridge.
Ok, if you want to move market segments then pick out a cheaper AMD processor and motherboard. I purposely picked out the fastest and most expensive AMD processor there was to show the low price ceiling. Still not sure what your point is other than wanting to win an argument.
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The community hyped up Bulldozer and followed some AMD forum user like he was a god and looked away from everything indicating it was going to be bad.
But its always AMD's fault
ahh yes good old Jeff.

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It's really not though. You just put words into my mouth while completely missing the point of my post. Intel overclocking, despite its limitations, is quite finicky. I can boot and get stable on a variety of different base clock / multiplier / NB/HT clockspeeds for different results on my FX processor. The FX can also be cooled by a basic air cooler up to 4.6-4.7 GHz. Good luck managing that with Skylake. The 6700k I've got is better. Flat-out. But it's not a more interesting platform to tweak than my 990FX chipset that can run 300+ BCLK. For HWBOT shenanigans, FX series is great fun, and much more forgiving.

Observations aren't 'complaints', and I think I own and have owned enough Intel SKU's to comment on them.
I will agree the FX chips are fun with play around with and they are tanks that handle abuse. The only case I know of that a FX cpu will beat that 6700k of yours is in virtual machines, On the fx you can run 8 separate vm's without much of an issue, good luck doing that on the 4c/8t skylake. Other than that ya skylakes are nice.
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This has been the only AMD release since Thuban that im excited for,hopefully mobo makers will give it some real attention instead of the lacklustre efforts like the 9XX boards.

the 9xx series boards were decent when they were first released, they are just OLD now. On Amd's releases, I was excited for the 7970, and interested in Kaveri as well but that was due to HSA. Other than that I'm with you 100%.
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We can only hope, now that they have a better access to a fab to make better chips than the 28nm crap. Overall they need to bring the performance/power ratio way way far compared to Intel and Nvidia, while I think they may catch up these two behemoths will not slow down but at least the offering won't be 3 years too late but only 1 year too late...
The current AMD CPU offerings... I don't know anyone who would buy such outdated and underpowered platform. GPUs always seem to lack that 1 tier in performance, while some designs are nice I doubt they make much $ when they have to undercut Nvidia so much to even sell those power hogs.

I don't expect them to be back in the game before 2018.
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“you always need a number two to keep them honest”

All they are saying is they will STILL be worse than Intel but NOT as bad as they have been. IE more like the Phenom 965BE days.
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I hope Zen does well enough to force Intel to start pushing higher core counts on mainstream parts. No excuse for 2 core desktop parts these days.
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