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more or less he is right. anything past Phenom II is not really what they claim. I won't pretend to know everything but i do know 8350 is really a quad core with 4 FPU's added on top.
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Originally Posted by philhalo66 View Post

more or less he is right. anything past Phenom II is not really what they claim. I won't pretend to know everything but i do know 8350 is really a quad core with 4 FPU's added on top.

Just a litte fyi, but the number of CPU cores in AMD and intel chips is measured in the same way (usually.). And FPUs have nothing to do with it. They're not CPU cores, nor counted as CPU cores, as they don't do the general purpose stuff that the actual CPU cores do; they rather do floating point related things.

The trouble with bulldozer chips was rather that most games don't use a lot of cores/threads. For its time, the FX 8 cores were decent for doing heavily multithreaded tasks, though. Like encoding video. If you have a reason to want more cores, then I don't see why you'd be disappointed with the FX chips. Sure, they're not the best on the per core performance much at all, but at least you get a lot of real cores for a decent price. (then again, at this point they're rather old, to begin with...)
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Just a litte fyi, but the number of CPU cores in AMD and intel chips is measured in the same way (usually.). And FPUs have nothing to do with it. They're not CPU cores, nor counted as CPU cores, as they don't do the general purpose stuff that the actual CPU cores do; they rather do floating point related things.

The trouble with bulldozer chips was rather that most games don't use a lot of cores/threads. For its time, the FX 8 cores were decent for doing heavily multithreaded tasks, though. Like encoding video. If you have a reason to want more cores, then I don't see why you'd be disappointed with the FX chips. Sure, they're not the best on the per core performance much at all, but at least you get a lot of real cores for a decent price. (then again, at this point they're rather old, to begin with...)

 

Pretty much this.


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Hate all you want. I am just relaying information people have told me on here in the past. pretty convenient you ignored when i said "I wont pretend to know everything."
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pretty convenient you ignored when i said "I wont pretend to know everything."

Well, you did say you knew something that was factually incorrect immediately after that statement.

In actuality, the 8350 (and every other FX part that begins with an 8 or a 9) is an eight core CPU. It just so happens that their are only four front ends and only four AVX capable FPUs.

A front-end doesn't make a CPU. It's true that Bulldozer and Piledriver occasionally had significant bottlenecks stemming from the shared front-end, but this was largely resolved in Steamroller, and was never the main reason why FX parts underperformed.

An AVX capable FPU (or any FPU for that matter) doesn't make a CPU either. Prior to the 486 x86 CPUs didn't come with FPUs at all; if you could even add one, it was a second chip. Prior to Sandy Bridge, AVX didn't exist. Running pre-AVX code, the FX parts can effectively have one FPU per core, or two per module.

The myth that AMD's modules only constitute one real core is mostly there to explain their poor per-core performance, but fact of the matter is that the cores are simply relatively narrow and inefficient compared to their competition. They aren't 'fake' cores and making them 'real' or independent cores would not have improved the FX parts.
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Here is the BD uArch. Seems many can't count past four.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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So sick of waiting for Zen. October can't come fast enough.
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