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Originally Posted by looniam View Post

i guess you're not considering the difference between OC and gaming mode - which is only enabled through the AIB software.



when a review shows 1709/1848 but a consumer gets 1683/1823 that is not right. it doesn't need much brain power to understand ethics. wink.gif

Right, the GPU-Z screen shots are not what the consumer would get unless they set the card in OC mode. I assumed we were talking about the performance numbers in the review which were achieved with 2050 mhz on the Strix and 1873mhz on the MSI. If a users isn't going to take the time to install the software and set the card in OC mode they certainly aren't going to worry about installing GPU-Z to see some totally irrelevant numbers.
Edited by bigjdubb - 6/16/16 at 4:22pm
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Originally Posted by bigjdubb View Post

Right, the GPU-Z screen shots are not what the consumer would get unless they set the card in OC mode. I assumed we were talking about the performance numbers in the review which were achieved with 2050 mhz on the Strix and 1873mhz on the MSI. If a users isn't going to take the time to install the software and set the card in OC mode they certainly aren't going to worry about installing GPU-Z to see some totally irrelevant numbers.

the question is what does the OC mode do that the gaming mode doesn't?

if it increases the power target or adjusts the voltage, both of which will lead to a higher boost, then it makes the reviewer's benchmarks invalid to what a consumer gets "out of the box" with no user interaction (edit) when compared to the competition.

it also skues the lowest and highest clock speeds:


and i'll believe overclocking since there is NO MENTION of adjusting PT or voltage:
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Maximum overclock of our sample is 1400 MHz on the memory (11% overclock) and +196 MHz to the GPU's base clock, which increases maximum Boost from 1873 MHz to 2050 MHz (5% overclock).
just because someone doesn't install an AIB's software doesn't dictate what other software they will use. there is plenty of AIB software that doesn't get used but afterburner of precisionX will and a number of those will access controls of the AIB's card that AB or PX cannot.

no, not every card will boost the same. but again, if a reviewer is lead to believe that they are benching a card that is the same as what a consumer would get but the manufacturer sent a sample in a different condition; that is deceitful - not as deceitful as PSU manufacturers sending cherry picked units to reviewers and putting flaming brick on the shelf but still . .underhanded.

if you can't agree with that fine, i guess, but don't minimize the reality.
Edited by looniam - 6/16/16 at 4:58pm
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I dont know what the fuss is about this doesnt even apply to us. We know the 1080 performance numbers with the FE reviews
We overclock our gpus to the max anyways this doesnt even warrant a conversatuon with us enthusiasts
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Originally Posted by jprovido View Post

I dont know what the fuss is about this doesnt even apply to us. We know the 1080 performance numbers with the FE reviews
We overclock our gpus to the max anyways this doesnt even warrant a conversatuon with us enthusiasts

Agreed, the cards have been in the hands of the consumer long enough and provided by enough distributers that this news is nothing more than filler news. If there were less companies in competition, we were back at launch or before launch, and less reviewers, then this would be a bigger deal. As of now though its just "Eh its scummy but a bit late to really mean anything."
post #5655 of 6175
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Originally Posted by bigjdubb View Post

This launch feels like it was rushed out about a month early in order to eat up as much press coverage as possible before AMD launches their cards. There is a new rumor that supply shortages won't clear up until the end of July to early August. 2 months is a long time before you have a steady supply, even for a paper launch 2 months would be too long.

Ya, this launch is pretty fail. Massive AIB delays, no HB SLI bridges, FAST Sync that works poorly. This launch should have been like mid July to allow enough time for NVIDIA to get their crap together.
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Ya, this launch is pretty fail. Massive AIB delays, no HB SLI bridges, FAST Sync that works poorly. This launch should have been like mid July to allow enough time for NVIDIA to get their crap together.

Of course we will never hear any of this from the usual Nvidia fanboys or the tech media. Criticisms about paper launches and such are reserved for AMD who "can't ever seem to get their acts together". rolleyes.gif
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Yeah AiB delays and lack of stock is pretty annoying. Seriously, EVGA isn't even able to fill the ACX 3.0 orders fast enough, Memory Express is looking @ 6 weeks to ship, if you order today - and every 3 days you wait, you can add another week.

I ordered 2 weeks ago and am still #260 out of 550 just for the web orders. In theory I'll be waiting 3 additional weeks before I get my GPU which is frankly, unacceptable for a launch.
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Originally Posted by looniam View Post



no, not every card will boost the same. but again, if a reviewer is lead to believe that they are benching a card that is the same as what a consumer would get but the manufacturer sent a sample in a different condition; that is deceitful - not as deceitful as PSU manufacturers sending cherry picked units to reviewers and putting flaming brick on the shelf but still . .underhanded.

if you can't agree with that fine, i guess, but don't minimize the reality.

Are you still trying to make a mountain out of an insignificant mole hill?

Your "out of the box" product includes a disk that is in the box and must be installed to work correctly. Your "out of the box" product also comes with an installation guide and user manual. If you are using your "out of the box" product correctly you will install the disk and use the software to select the GPU speed that you want to use.

If you are doing anything different then you are misusing the product, which is user error. If you aren't getting the speed that you want, the speed that is advertised on the box, it is because you failed to follow basic instructions and that is YOUR fault.


And for the record, lots of manufacturers, and not just PC component manufacturers deliver products to reviewers with slightly different settings than what the consumer receives. Usually this is simply because the reviewers get early run products that haven't gone into full production yet and may still contain errors. In the case of this card the software for the cards is still in beta, so rather than delivering a card to a reviewer with software that may crash they simply preset the card to run at the maximum speed that the software would let them select. That is in no way misleading, since the retail product can still run at these speeds, it only requires following the included instructions and installing the included software to do so.

You do know how to follow instructions and install software, right? Or is that too difficult for you? So difficult that you feel misled into believing your card would work without installing drivers?


Oh NOZE, day set de default to GAMING. How dare day? Dat's Misleading. Day must die!!! Now I have to click the OC mode selection all by myself. How horrible!

Pathetic.
Edited by moustang - 6/16/16 at 8:22pm
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Its funny perusing the NE 1080 listings and seeing all the $659+ prices for a card that the tech sites all reviewed as a "$599" card. Oh yeah, there is that one EVGA blower card that supposedly only costs $609 that nobody will ever actually be able to buy so yeah, the 1080 is definitely a $599 card for the purprose of P/P comparisons... rolleyes.gif
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Since I'm probably not the only one that pre-ordered at B&H... my June 5 pre-order got an update biggrin.gif
     
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