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If the shoe fits....

If 1080 = Midrange then...

1070 = Low end.
980 or equivalent = Entry level, bottom end.

Anything slower than that is bargain bin fodder.


Personally, I think anyone who claims the fastest card on the market is "midrange" needs to go look up the definition of the word "midrange", and see if it applies to the fastest or best anything you can currently buy. I can assure you that there is no definition in the English language where the word "midrange" can be accurately applied to the 1080. It is neither the mean performance of available cards, nor is it mean price of available cards. But some people with a silly agenda to push or a serious screw loose like to misuse the term.

Basically these type of people would say that the $1.5 Million Ferrari LaFerrari is a midrange car because in a year or two Ferrari will produce one that is faster and more expensive.

Smaller die size with a high end price. A better analogy would be calling the 1080 a Gallardo and the 1080 Ti is the Murcielago coming out later in the year, I guess.
post #5822 of 6175
No, the better analogy would be that whatever flagship sports car you want used to come with a fire-breathing V8 at the top of the price range but now they are replacing it with a turbo-4. Still makes the same hp but certainly doesn't carry the same cachet.

Oh, and in 8 months they will again bring out the fire-breathing V8 and just charge even more $$$ for it...
post #5823 of 6175
Why are you guys arguing about this nonsense?

If you are judging with the thoughts of the future of 1080ti and new Titan incoming, then 1070 is low end and 1080 is midrange.

If you are judging with the thoughts of present, then 1080 is high end, and 1070 is midrange, because we are judging from the cards being available now.


So both sides are right, and both wrong at the same time. Because it's just a way of looking at the same thing. The problem is that one side is thinking ahead of time, the other...is thinking as of now.

It is kind of funny to think of 1070 as low end though, because it's beating out 980ti and Titan in many tests.

Then what is below LOW END? Lower LOW END? Haha, please send me a couple of 980tis to my house, since it's so "low end" smile.gif
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No, the better analogy would be that whatever flagship sports car you want used to come with a fire-breathing V8 at the top of the price range but now they are replacing it with a turbo-4. Still makes the same hp but certainly doesn't carry the same cachet.

Oh, and in 8 months they will again bring out the fire-breathing V8 and just charge even more $$$ for it...
Haha, touche. I'm not much of a car guy (as you've probably guessed) but that sounds a lot more accurate thumb.gif
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Originally Posted by moustang View Post

If the shoe fits....

If 1080 = Midrange then...

1070 = Low end.
980 or equivalent = Entry level, bottom end.

Anything slower than that is bargain bin fodder.


Personally, I think anyone who claims the fastest card on the market is "midrange" needs to go look up the definition of the word "midrange", and see if it applies to the fastest or best anything you can currently buy. I can assure you that there is no definition in the English language where the word "midrange" can be accurately applied to the 1080. It is neither the mean performance of available cards, nor is it mean price of available cards. But some people with a silly agenda to push or a serious screw loose like to misuse the term.

Basically these type of people would say that the $1.5 Million Ferrari LaFerrari is a midrange car because in a year or two Ferrari will produce one that is faster and more expensive.

1080 and 1070 are the same chip.

don't be fooled by names or pricing.

If I put on a Lionel Messi kit and claim to be worth 250 million then it doesn't mean I am actually lionel messi or worth 250 million. I might still be the best football player around my neighbourhood but it doesn't mean I am good just because I have no competition.


also you can't say 980 is entry level. Dude it is old. If it were to release this year under the 10X0 name tag then it might be entry level.
The GTX 8800 is also NO entry level card despite being much worse than a 750 Ti.
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EVGA have stated that they are only shiping EVGA store preorders initially, and partners later.

Considering there are no EVGA stores in Canada...that pisses me off.
post #5827 of 6175
Who would want EVGA binned GPUs anyway tongue.gif
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I'm a little confused about some of the definitions of "midrange" and "low-end" being used in this thread.

A 1070 is a "low end" card now? What about the eventual 1060, 1050, and 1040?

Normally there's low, mid, and high-end. I think some of you are using something like: garbage, lol, paperweight, if you're desperate, low, mid, high. That's a little unfair.

Obviously this is just to further fuel the now-cyclic argument that the cards are overpriced. This is still Overlock.net right? I was just in another thread where people are showing pictures of the $650 motherboard they're going to mount their $1500 CPU to. If you want the best that's out there then you're going to pay. Right now, today, as I write this, Pascal is the most powerful GPU. Comparing it against something that hasn't even been confirmed to exist yet is silly in my opinion.

Furthermore, if you think something is overpriced then don't buy it. That's your right and you should take pride in the fact you're sticking to YOUR beliefs. I certainly would respect that. Some of you are acting like you've just been court-ordered to pay some exorbitant sum of money to someone you dislike. If it's just hate of Nvidia then buy an AMD and again, take pride in your decision (please do as I own AMD stock). By the same token, if someone wants to buy a 1080 because they have a means and they want to then respect their choice. I know someone that will drop hundreds on shoes without a second thought. Not my thing but I can respect the fact we have different ideas and interests.

I'll admit the MSRP/Founder's Edition pricing thing is not the most upstanding marketing maneuver I've ever seen. Remarkably though people are buying the things like candy despite that. Heck, people are spending well above that from resellers (read: price gougers). If Nvidia were truly as overpriced as some are suggesting then we would be tripping over them at Micro Center.
post #5829 of 6175
I can only imagine how long it will be before my EVGA Step-Up gets processed with all theses back orders.

At least the process has started.


PS. It's pathetic to not even be able to select a gamemode in Battlefront with a particular map, NO PLAYERS...DEAD

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I'm a little confused about some of the definitions of "midrange" and "low-end" being used in this thread.

A 1070 is a "low end" card now? What about the eventual 1060, 1050, and 1040?

Normally there's low, mid, and high-end. I think some of you are using something like: garbage, lol, paperweight, if you're desperate, low, mid, high. That's a little unfair.

Obviously this is just to further fuel the now-cyclic argument that the cards are overpriced. This is still Overlock.net right? I was just in another thread where people are showing pictures of the $650 motherboard they're going to mount their $1500 CPU to. If you want the best that's out there then you're going to pay. Right now, today, as I write this, Pascal is the most powerful GPU. Comparing it against something that hasn't even been confirmed to exist yet is silly in my opinion.

Furthermore, if you think something is overpriced then don't buy it. That's your right and you should take pride in the fact you're sticking to YOUR beliefs. I certainly would respect that. Some of you are acting like you've just been court-ordered to pay some exorbitant sum of money to someone you dislike. If it's just hate of Nvidia then buy an AMD and again, take pride in your decision (please do as I own AMD stock). By the same token, if someone wants to buy a 1080 because they have a means and they want to then respect their choice. I know someone that will drop hundreds on shoes without a second thought. Not my thing but I can respect the fact we have different ideas and interests.

I'll admit the MSRP/Founder's Edition pricing thing is not the most upstanding marketing maneuver I've ever seen. Remarkably though people are buying the things like candy despite that. Heck, people are spending well above that from resellers (read: price gougers). If Nvidia were truly as overpriced as some are suggesting then we would be tripping over them at Micro Center.

problem is clear definitions. I have no idea what it actual is.

Maybe it goes like :

- Entry Level
- Mainstream
- Performance
- High End
- Ultra high End
- Enthusiast


A GTX 1080 is "high end" if high end is defined by best card on the market.
But well people have to decide for themselves. 700€ 314mm² GPU that will be obliterated in a couple of months. That isn't high end for me.
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