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post #5831 of 6175
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Originally Posted by MNiceGuy View Post

I'm a little confused about some of the definitions of "midrange" and "low-end" being used in this thread.

A 1070 is a "low end" card now? What about the eventual 1060, 1050, and 1040?

Normally there's low, mid, and high-end. I think some of you are using something like: garbage, lol, paperweight, if you're desperate, low, mid, high. That's a little unfair.

Obviously this is just to further fuel the now-cyclic argument that the cards are overpriced. This is still Overlock.net right? I was just in another thread where people are showing pictures of the $650 motherboard they're going to mount their $1500 CPU to. If you want the best that's out there then you're going to pay. Right now, today, as I write this, Pascal is the most powerful GPU. Comparing it against something that hasn't even been confirmed to exist yet is silly in my opinion.

Furthermore, if you think something is overpriced then don't buy it. That's your right and you should take pride in the fact you're sticking to YOUR beliefs. I certainly would respect that. Some of you are acting like you've just been court-ordered to pay some exorbitant sum of money to someone you dislike. If it's just hate of Nvidia then buy an AMD and again, take pride in your decision (please do as I own AMD stock). By the same token, if someone wants to buy a 1080 because they have a means and they want to then respect their choice. I know someone that will drop hundreds on shoes without a second thought. Not my thing but I can respect the fact we have different ideas and interests.

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Originally Posted by XLifted View Post

Why are you guys arguing about this nonsense?

If you are judging with the thoughts of the future of 1080ti and new Titan incoming, then 1070 is low end and 1080 is midrange.

If you are judging with the thoughts of present, then 1080 is high end, and 1070 is midrange, because we are judging from the cards being available now.
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I'll admit the MSRP/Founder's Edition pricing thing is not the most upstanding marketing maneuver I've ever seen. Remarkably though people are buying the things like candy despite that. Heck, people are spending well above that from resellers (read: price gougers). If Nvidia were truly as overpriced as some are suggesting then we would be tripping over them at Micro Center.

Because brand recognition, instant gratification, and the pathological need (IMO) to have the latest and greatest means people will pay whatever nVidia asks. If even price gougers are moving their inventory well then it's a further sign of the symptomatic instant gratification these days.
post #5832 of 6175
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Originally Posted by XLifted View Post

Why are you guys arguing about this nonsense?

If you are judging with the thoughts of the future of 1080ti and new Titan incoming, then 1070 is low end and 1080 is midrange.

If you are judging with the thoughts of present, then 1080 is high end, and 1070 is midrange, because we are judging from the cards being available now.


So both sides are right, and both wrong at the same time. Because it's just a way of looking at the same thing. The problem is that one side is thinking ahead of time, the other...is thinking as of now.

No, both aren't right. You always speak in a present tense with regard to hardware. GTX 1080 is the highest end/fastest card currently available.

Talking about the future is pointless. A 1080 Titan or 1080Ti in the future will be high-end at release, then mid-range and then low-range eventually. When the 1180 Titan comes out, you aren't going to say "I want that old high-end 1080 Titan". Performance is the metric that everyone cares about. Who cares about the die size under the heat sink. That means nothing compared to performance.
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post #5833 of 6175
True but 1180 Titan and 1080 Titan would belong to different product stacks.

How about let's just go with where the SKU ends up being within the pertinent product stack so it avoids all these issues.
post #5834 of 6175
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Originally Posted by XLifted View Post

Why are you guys arguing about this nonsense?

If you are judging with the thoughts of the future of 1080ti and new Titan incoming, then 1070 is low end and 1080 is midrange.

If you are judging with the thoughts of present, then 1080 is high end, and 1070 is midrange, because we are judging from the cards being available now.


So both sides are right, and both wrong at the same time. Because it's just a way of looking at the same thing. The problem is that one side is thinking ahead of time, the other...is thinking as of now.

Even if you are thinking "ahead of time" the 1080 in no way can be classified as "midrange".


Allow me to help you out here.

mid·range
ˈmidˌrānj/

adjective
adjective: mid-range; adjective: mid range; adjective: midrange

1.
(of a product) in the middle of a range of products with regard to size, quality, or price.


Even when the 1080 Ti comes out the 1080 will NOT be in the middle of the product lineup. It will not be in the middle of the price range. It will not be in the middle of the quality spectrum.

There may be a top of the line product called the 1080 Ti, but the 1080 will remain a HIGH END card until production stops. There will be a 1070, a 1060, and probably even a 1050 and 1050 Ti below it. Even in the future where these currently non-existing products will eventually be released it is NOT in the middle of price, performance, quality, or functionality. Right now it's the best, and eventually it will be the second best where it will remain until this generation of GPU ends.

Perhaps I'm being a bit pedantic, a bit of a stickler for using the English language correctly, but anyone who calls the 1080 "midrange" either hasn't learned to use the language correctly or is making up their own definition of the word because they don't want to admit what it really is. It's a high end consumer level video card with a high end price. No different from the 980 Ti which for some reason no one is calling midrange despite the fact that it's both slower and cheaper than the 1080.

And yes, by definition, the 980 Ti is a whole lot closer to being midrange than the 1080 is. But I didn't see anyone calling the 980 Ti a midrange card 3 months ago in anticipation of Pascal release. I wonder why that is.
post #5835 of 6175
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Originally Posted by magnek View Post

True but 1180 Titan and 1080 Titan would belong to different product stacks.

How about let's just go with where the SKU ends up being within the pertinent product stack so it avoids all these issues.

^^^ THIS ^^^

The Titan line is not, nor has it ever been a consumer level product line. It's a low-end developers card, which is why it's never carried the GTX naming convention.

The Titan is no more a consumer level card than a Ford F750 Super Duty is a consumer level pickup truck.
post #5836 of 6175
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Originally Posted by moustang View Post

Even if you are thinking "ahead of time" the 1080 in no way can be classified as "midrange".


Allow me to help you out here.

mid·range
ˈmidˌrānj/

adjective
adjective: mid-range; adjective: mid range; adjective: midrange

1.
(of a product) in the middle of a range of products with regard to size, quality, or price.


Even when the 1080 Ti comes out the 1080 will NOT be in the middle of the product lineup. It will not be in the middle of the price range. It will not be in the middle of the quality spectrum.

There may be a top of the line product called the 1080 Ti, but the 1080 will remain a HIGH END card until production stops. There will be a 1070, a 1060, and probably even a 1050 and 1050 Ti below it. Even in the future where these currently non-existing products will eventually be released it is NOT in the middle of price, performance, quality, or functionality. Right now it's the best, and eventually it will be the second best where it will remain until this generation of GPU ends.

Perhaps I'm being a bit pedantic, a bit of a stickler for using the English language correctly, but anyone who calls the 1080 "midrange" either hasn't learned to use the language correctly or is making up their own definition of the word because they don't want to admit what it really is. It's a high end consumer level video card with a high end price. No different from the 980 Ti which for some reason no one is calling midrange despite the fact that it's both slower and cheaper than the 1080.

And yes, by definition, the 980 Ti is a whole lot closer to being midrange than the 1080 is. But I didn't see anyone calling the 980 Ti a midrange card 3 months ago in anticipation of Pascal release. I wonder why that is.

How is it not in the middle?

1. titan
2. x80ti
3. x80
4. x70
5. x60
6. x50


X80 and X70 are right smack in the middle, of gaming cards at least. I don't think they released anything else in the 9 series did they?
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post #5837 of 6175
Well it is high end, but just because Nvidia is holding back and feeding us small portions. Nvidia wants that the idiots are buying all their cards and upgrade twice a year.

If Nvidia wanted to they could release a bigger and better card right now, but they DON'T HAVE TO because there is no competition and they can make easy money with that greedy route. From a business standpoint completely understandable. I'd do the same thing and milk my loyal blind fanbase.

The GTX 1080 is high end, but not because the GTX 1080 is high end, but because surroundings and circumstances make it high end.
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post #5838 of 6175
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Originally Posted by moustang View Post

^^^ THIS ^^^

The Titan line is not, nor has it ever been a consumer level product line. It's a low-end developers card, which is why it's never carried the GTX naming convention.

The Titan is no more a consumer level card than a Ford F750 Super Duty is a consumer level pickup truck.

You misunderstood my post, I meant that 1180 Titan and 1080 Titan belonged to different product stacks (families/series).

Also Titan cards have always carried the GTX naming convention, starting with the original Titan.
post #5839 of 6175
Nvidia changed his whole market when they released the first titan.. Until then i didnt see people gaming on quadro gpus XD

So thats when the x80/x70 chip become the midrange
post #5840 of 6175
When people talk about midrange 1080 they are talking about the CHIP inside the card, not the card itself. That's where the confusion is setting in. They took what used to be the midrange chip designation and pumped up the clock speed enough so that it could (barely) beat the previous true flagship GPU. The 1080 as a card is a flagship because its the fastest card available but that doesn't change the fact that it is a weak flagship with a midrange chip inside...
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