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Originally Posted by looniam View Post

given what little i've seen of the 480 (ok, ONE FS bench) and GIBBO calling it a superb card (my word not his) AMD is going to absolutely OWN the sub $300 market w/polaris; unless the 1060 is closer to the 1070 then 1070 to 1080. then there is that 2Gbs more vram . . . seriously thinking of dumping my 980ti and getting a 480 just to give nvidia the finger . . .until the 1080TI redface.gif

It's not only the 480. The 470 will be the card to get if you want a 1080p card at 150 bucks. And the polaris 11 will be the chip to get for a good laptop gpu. It's a market that nvidia can't answer right now and it's a high volume market.
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Well, to be fair the performance and JHH's slides bring up the question of performance relative to the 980 Ti and Titan X. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't classify the 1080 for what it is, a 980 successor, or talk about the performance increase of the 1080 relative to the 980. But when you buy a GPU on a new node you expect that class below the enthusiast segment to meet and hopefully exceed that last-gen enthusiast performance. Basically, it's not unreasonable to expect that the card be reckoned a 980 successor nor is it unreasonable to compare it to a 980 Ti in terms of performance. These aren't mutually exclusive concepts.

Yeah well you have to be willing to subside the argument. You can't use that argument with AMD's Polaris cards.
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Yeah well you have to be willing to subside the argument. You can't use that argument with AMD's Polaris cards.

 

Sure you can. The 480 replaces the 380/380x but performance-wise can and should be compared to the 390/390x as well. Same concept. X replacement should at least equal X+1.

     
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Sure you can. The 480 replaces the 380/380x but performance-wise can and should be compared to the 390/390x as well. Same concept. X replacement should at least equal X+1.

In what way is that different from the 1080? The 1080 exceeds the performance of the 980 Ti and people just complain because its not as high of a performance increase as they want it to be. The 1080 isn't built to succeed the 980 Ti, but it still out performs it. Where as the 480 is the same performance as the predecessor except for VR performance at what would be the same price of the 380/380x if the 480 was a true successor card.
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In what way is that different from the 1080? The 1080 exceeds the performance of the 980 Ti and people just complain because its not as high of a performance increase as they want it to be. The 1080 isn't built to succeed the 980 Ti, but it still out performs it. Where as the 480 is the same performance as the predecessor except for VR performance at what would be the same price of the 380/380x if the 480 was a true successor card.

If the price was like a mid range chip then they wouldn't complain. Especially on europe this card cost up to 800-900 euro. For this price and after staying to 28nm for almost 5 years many people expect 50%+ increase because nvidia markets this card as the new 16nm flagship with double (vr) performance. The price makes the gpu. Too high price and the gpu is a fail. Too low and the same gpu is a performance king. I am not going to say that the 1080 is a fail gpu but the price yeah is a fail for the people that have experience on the gpu market for over 10 years. But yeah the card will going to sell no matter what because marketing and capitalism
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In what way is that different from the 1080? The 1080 exceeds the performance of the 980 Ti and people just complain because its not as high of a performance increase as they want it to be. The 1080 isn't built to succeed the 980 Ti, but it still out performs it. Where as the 480 is the same performance as the predecessor except for VR performance at what would be the same price of the 380/380x if the 480 was a true successor card.

 

Well for one we don't have final performance on the 480 or its OC capability. We do know it will be substantially faster than a 380/380x and at least on-par with the 390x whilst coming in at the 380/380x price-tag. The 1080 is substantially faster than the 980 and beats the 980 Ti as well whilst coming in at or above the 980 Ti price-tag. The Founder's Edition sticker-shock makes a more exacting comparison with the 980 Ti an imperative for that particular model because we're talking about two products at the same price. The 480 will match or beat the 390x at a lower price. That's the difference. I'll stress here that I'm not complaining about the 1080, I'm making assessments as objectively as I can based on price and performance.

 

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If the price was like a mid range chip then they wouldn't complain. Especially on europe this card cost up to 800-900 euro. For this price and after staying to 28nm for almost 5 years many people expect 50%+ increase because nvidia markets this card as the new 16nm flagship with double (vr) performance. The price makes the gpu. Too high price and the gpu is a fail. Too low and the same gpu is a performance king. I am not going to say that the 1080 is a fail gpu but the price yeah is a fail for the people that have experience on the gpu market for over 10 years. But yeah the card will going to sell no matter what because marketing and capitalism
 
And that is what people see and why the 1080 to 980 Ti comparison becomes more important.
     
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If the price was like a mid range chip then they wouldn't complain. Especially on europe this card cost up to 800-900 euro. For this price and after staying to 28nm for almost 5 years many people expect 50%+ increase because nvidia markets this card as the new 16nm flagship with double (vr) performance. The price makes the gpu. Too high price and the gpu is a fail. Too low and the same gpu is a performance king. I am not going to say that the 1080 is a fail gpu but the price yeah is a fail for the people that have experience on the gpu market for over 10 years. But yeah the card will going to sell no matter what because marketing and capitalism

Polaris is on 16nm finfet too and theres hardly any performance increase. Whatever magical performance increase from the shrinking node clearly didn't happen. All I'm seeing is double standards against the company with the clear advantage in the current situation of the market. Its more expensive I get that. The 700 series did this exact same thing when it launched and people loved the 700 series. The 900 series brought the prices down at their launch. Its like watching the 600 to 700 series, but instead its 900 to 1000. Its not that different, if anything the 700 series was worse because it went up 150 dollars as opposed to the 1000 series being 100. I'm willing to bet the next series will stay static at the current price or will drop again unless something weird happens with the market.
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Polaris is on 16nm finfet too and theres hardly any performance increase. Whatever magical performance increase from the shrinking node clearly didn't happen. All I'm seeing is double standards against the company with the clear advantage in the current situation of the market. Its more expensive I get that. The 700 series did this exact same thing when it launched and people loved the 700 series. The 900 series brought the prices down at their launch. Its like watching the 600 to 700 series, but instead its 900 to 1000. Its not that different. I'm willing to bet the next series will stay static at the current price or will drop again unless something weird happens with the market.

Polaris is on 14nm and it's only a 230mm^2 die at peak max tdp at 150 watt. This product is not about raising the max performance but it's about raising the mid range market to the levels of the previous high performance models (not enthusiastic) . That's why it costs 200 bucks it's a mid range part and nothing else.
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