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Originally Posted by Desolutional View Post

I can't see anyone running LN2 as a long term solution though. biggrin.gif

Regardless, clock for clock, Maxwell does scale better than Pascal... just wish AMD dished out Vega already.


True... tongue.gif

I'm all for AMD competing, but they seem to be shot down at every turn, so I don't see how Vega would be anything special IMHO. Heck, even the 1060 is being launched neck and neck to literally stomp the RX480 to oblivion, or so it seems.
post #92 of 127
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Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post

Heck, even the 1060 is being launched neck and neck to literally stomp the RX480 to oblivion, or so it seems.

lol name one GTX X60 card that has stomped the rival AMD card?

It may beat, but won't stomp, and if it beats the 480 expect it to be priced accordingly or overpriced.
post #93 of 127
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Originally Posted by Waitng4realGPU View Post

lol name one GTX X60 card that has stomped the rival AMD card?

It may beat, but won't stomp, and if it beats the 480 expect it to be priced accordingly or overpriced.

The 1060 will most likely stomp the RX480, but I didn't mention past x60's stomping AMD cards. Also, since when is $249 overpriced? Isn't the RX480 4GB priced at $199 and the 8GB version at $239? So, why on earth would anyone buy the RX480 when the 1060 is better performance-wise?

I don't know about you, but I sure don't buy products out of the goodness of my heart.
post #94 of 127
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Originally Posted by Desolutional View Post

I can't see anyone running LN2 as a long term solution though. biggrin.gif

Regardless, clock for clock, Maxwell does scale better than Pascal... just wish AMD dished out Vega already.
I think that's irrelevant, what matters is how the card performs at the clock speed it runs at. Sure, if you could match the GTX 1080's clock speed on a GTX 980 Ti, it'd be faster, but you can't (for normal usage anyway).
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Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post

True... tongue.gif

I'm all for AMD competing, but they seem to be shot down at every turn, so I don't see how Vega would be anything special IMHO. Heck, even the 1060 is being launched neck and neck to literally stomp the RX480 to oblivion, or so it seems.
Why would the 1060 "literally stomp the RX480 to oblivion"?

The compute performance of the 1060 is 4.4TFLOPs, half of the 1080's 8.9TFLOPs. There is a similar situation with the GTX 960 and 980, where the 960 has half the compute performance of the 980. At 1920x1080, the 980 is 86% faster than the 960. If the 1080 were to be 85% faster than the 1060 as was the case with the 960 and 980, the RX 480 would be faster as the 1080 is 77% faster than the RX 480 at 1920x1080. That being said, the 1060 has more than half of the 1080's memory and memory bandwidth, so it might not fall as far behind the 1080 as the 960 does the 980. I think it could turn out to be rather close.

There's also price, something that is extremely important in this price range. The cards you would actually want are not going to be $249 if the 1070 and 1080 are anything to go by, they'll follow the $299 FE price. The RX 480 is $239. The price of the good RX 480s is still unclear as far as I know.
post #95 of 127
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Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post

The 1060 will most likely stomp the RX480, but I didn't mention past x60's stomping AMD cards.

If you think a $249 card is going to stomp a $239 card then your interpretation of stomp is obviously far different to mine smile.gif

I used past '60' cards as an example, because all the recent cards are average, or at least end up that way when we look back at them over time.

560, 660, 760................
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So, why on earth would anyone buy the RX480 when the 1060 is better performance-wise?
I don't know about you, but I sure don't buy products out of the goodness of my heart.

You obviously don't follow graphics card releases, or you don't pay attention to performance/price.
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There's also price, something that is extremely important in this price range. The cards you would actually want are not going to be $249 if the 1070 and 1080 are anything to go by, they'll follow the $299 FE price. The RX 480 is $239. The price of the good RX 480s is still unclear as far as I know.

Exactly, Nvidia will charge slightly more for something that matches a 480, let alone stomp it. If it 'stomps' it then expect a $50+ price hike.
Edited by Waitng4realGPU - 7/7/16 at 11:21am
post #96 of 127
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I think that's irrelevant, what matters is how the card performs at the clock speed it runs at. Sure, if you could match the GTX 1080's clock speed on a GTX 980 Ti, it'd be faster, but you can't (for normal usage anyway).
Why would the 1060 "literally stomp the RX480 to oblivion"?

There's also price, something that is extremely important in this price range. The cards you would actually want are not going to be $249 if the 1070 and 1080 are anything to go by, they'll follow the $299 FE price. The RX 480 is $239. The price of the good RX 480s is still unclear as far as I know.

Because it'll do better at games for sure. The RX480 is a 970 performance-wise whilst the 1060 will most likely perform better than that. I'd say around the GTX 980 performance-wise which is just a guess btw.
The 1080's MSRP is at $599 and the cheapest 1080 I could find was priced at $608 almost a month ago. That's 9 USD over the MSRP, which means that people claiming that there wouldn't be any cards priced close to the MSRP was wrong.
post #97 of 127
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Originally Posted by Waitng4realGPU View Post

If you think a $249 card is going to stomp a $239 card then your interpretation of stomp is obviously far different to mine smile.gif

I used past '60' cards as an example, because all the recent cards are average, or at least end up that way when we look back at them over time.

560, 660, 760................
You obviously don't follow graphics card releases, or you don't pay attention to performance/price.
Exactly, Nvidia will charge slightly more for something that matches a 480, let alone stomp it. If it 'stomps' it then expect a $50+ price hike.

Dying of laughter over here lol.


You make it sound like pricing a card $10 higher or somewhere around that (under $50) is something people would lose sleep from. Also, if the performance is better, then it's a no brainer. It's not like people go out to buy a graphics card every month, and espeically not the RX480 and 1060's target audience.
post #98 of 127
The 1080 was a worthwhile upgrade over my Titan X for me. I switched to a ITX case and my Titan X was throttling down to 1050Mhz with default fan curve, with a custom fan curve I was able to keep it up to 1150Mhz. The Founders Edition 1080 I picked up can hold 2000Mhz with a 70% fan curve and I am not even temp limited - power limited. They definitely improved the fan on the 1080 compared to the Titan X. At 70% fan speed the Titan X sounded like a jet taking off, with the 1080 its still whisper quiet.
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Well I made a transition from 980Ti to 1080 and I'm happy it's doing the job I wanted it to do: my fps is no longer dropping down into the 40-45 fps range when I play games maxed out @1440p, I'm getting steady +50 fps in those parts. While you may say it's only 20-25%, I say it's make or break for me since I find playing at 45 fps totally off putting no matter how many ppl on OCN tell me it is not. Secondly, in the games I ran at around 100 fps already on 980Ti I can finally use 120Hz ULMB mode without dropping below the vsync range, and that is make or break too.

So if you're looking at raw price/performance figures and not the specific scenarios where you personally could use 10-20 fps more then I say wait for Volta x80 cause that 1080Ti is gonna rape your wallet like a bunch of horny squirrels.
Edited by Klocek001 - 7/7/16 at 11:55am
post #100 of 127
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Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post

Because it'll do better at games for sure. The RX480 is a 970 performance-wise whilst the 1060 will most likely perform better than that. I'd say around the GTX 980 performance-wise which is just a guess btw.
The 1080's MSRP is at $599 and the cheapest 1080 I could find was priced at $608 almost a month ago. That's 9 USD over the MSRP, which means that people claiming that there wouldn't be any cards priced close to the MSRP was wrong.
Okay, so your basis for your claim that "it'll do better at games for sure" is what, exactly? The RX 480 is not equivalent to the GTX 970 reference, it is 5% faster than it, and 9% slower than the 980. It is in-between the two, leaning towards the 970.

I gave you a comparison between the 960 and 980 that have a very similar relationship, and that points to a close race between the RX 480 and GTX 1060. Another thing one could do is compare the Titan X and 1070 and then use those numbers to compare the 980 and 1060. The GTX 1070 with 6.5TFLOPs is 9% faster than the Titan X with 6.7TFLOPs, meaning the GTX 1070 has 12% better "gaming performance/TFLOP". The GTX 980 has 5TFLOPs while the 1060 has 4.4TFLOPs. That would make the 1060 2% slower than the GTX 980 and 8% faster than the RX 480.

These are just estimates, of course, but if the GTX 1060 at $299 is 8% faster than the RX 480 at $239, I think the RX 480 is the better deal for the reference cards. Then you have AIB cards as well that may change that.

Yes, the cheapest cards can be found around the MSRP. The cards people are generally looking for, like ASUS Strix, MSI Gaming X, EVGA FTW and Gigabyte G1 Gaming are more expensive than that.
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