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Mei is Tracer and Genji's almost direct counter. Symmetra works better for Genji because of the auto aiming ion beam. I find it hard to believe that Soldier wins more than 50% of the battles against Mei. McCree is good because of the stun and then placing two head shots on her while stunned. I would never take a Reinhardt against a Mei unless I have some backup or a heal close by; he is simply too slow to catch up with the ice beam.

Tracer and Genji are direct counters of Mei....

Soldier is a mid range hero, so yes he should be winning over 50% unless you're playing him incorrectly. Reinhert's dash is perfect for Squishys, literally what it's made for.

No offense, but you sound like you're playing at the lower end of the ELO bracket.
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Nah I'm playing in the upper 40's unless that is the ELO hell bracket. It's simplistic to avoid the Reinhardt Dash and just slow him down with the freeze as he moves past. Mei is excellent at slowing down and capping Genji/Tracer especially in close quarters maps like Route 66 and King's Row where Genji can't throw shurikens around oblique angles.

I would use Junkrat to counter Mei at mid and close range.
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Not quite sure what your issue is, but I run near 240-300 fps as well and no Audio / stutter issues.

What's your Audio Setting in game? Are you using Dolby?
Found out with was that darn Geforce Experience. Back to 240-300fps now.
Edited by cstkl1 - 7/11/16 at 10:48am
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Nah I'm playing in the upper 40's unless that is the ELO hell bracket. It's simplistic to avoid the Reinhardt Dash and just slow him down with the freeze as he moves past. Mei is excellent at slowing down and capping Genji/Tracer especially in close quarters maps like Route 66 and King's Row where Genji can't throw shurikens around oblique angles.

I would use Junkrat to counter Mei at mid and close range.

I've had pretty good luck as tracer, you just have to make sure you have your reverse up for when you get cold, before you freeze.
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Nah I'm playing in the upper 40's unless that is the ELO hell bracket. It's simplistic to avoid the Reinhardt Dash and just slow him down with the freeze as he moves past. Mei is excellent at slowing down and capping Genji/Tracer especially in close quarters maps like Route 66 and King's Row where Genji can't throw shurikens around oblique angles.

I would use Junkrat to counter Mei at mid and close range.

45 is actually below average, considering the average is between 48 - 54 skill rating. A good genji/tracer will never get frozen by a Mei.

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Found out with was that darn Geforce Experience. Back to 240-300fps now.
Are you running the Beta. Running GFE as well, and don't have that issue.
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45 is actually below average, considering the average is between 48 - 54 skill rating. A good genji/tracer will never get frozen by a Mei.
Are you running the Beta. Running GFE as well, and don't have that issue.

That's true but they will be slow enough for other players to shoot them down.
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45 is actually below average, considering the average is between 48 - 54 skill rating. A good genji/tracer will never get frozen by a Mei.
Are you running the Beta. Running GFE as well, and don't have that issue.
It seems to be an issue with gfe and sli.
Took it off. No problems now.
Yup beta.

2nd rig with single gtx1080 with gfe beta no issue.
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