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post #101 of 237
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Originally Posted by MicroCat View Post

Pretty sure when you thought up these fluffy metaphors they must have sounded really powerful in your mind.

Sadly, the internet has let you down again. Using a weak security metaphor to promote the conduct of a company with one of the worst security track records is....sad.

But, that's ok. We understand how threatening choice can seem. You're perfectly entitled to support the corporate monopolist unified view - consumers need to know their place. And not be making choices outside of defined marketing objectives.

The irony of this latest episode of Microsoft's corporate arrogance is that they may indeed force people to upgrade. Just not to a Microsoft product.

Ah, the condescension...how typically linux.

This reads like someone who's arguing to get rid of male/female toilets for the sake of diveristy/progress or some unrealistic sense of a perfect world, but then gets angry and accuses someone of being sexist when its suggested we then in turn get rid of women only gyms. The hypocrisy is not funny, but really strange.

I have no issue with choice, but the issue is that linux is not a reasonable or realistic choice in any sense. At least not until you have away to convince the developers/publishers out there to drop everything they know and move over to linux.

PC gamers:
UWP = But our fullscreen, gsync, sli, injectors and mods!!! Thou can not taketh away.

Linux = Its not windows. Thou shall Submit!
Edited by LoLomgbbq - 5/24/16 at 8:58pm
post #102 of 237
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Originally Posted by LoLomgbbq View Post

Your not tied to a single OS on the desktop. Just read this fine post below talking about Linux and diversity. besides, its developers of games that are choosing Windows over Linux, can you take a guess as to why that is?

If devs dont cater to highend gfx with every release on the pc and choose to cater to the largest userbase, that being consoles and that hardware level of performance, what hell of a reason is there for them to target linux other than for hipsters being able to give MS the finger?

I was thinking more along the lines of productivity software.....and even considering your example, you are simply exposing my point, that the users and developers are stuck in a loop that circles around Windows. This is the problem. Not having multiple options towards the same end is the opposite of progress I'm criticizing here. And at no point I said anything about Linux, and since when not wanting to contribute to a monopoly equates "giving the finger"? And what with the typical MS kid hostility? Hipsters? Is this a war now, lol.
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The only joke is Linux
Yes, it's a joke, it's only the most used kernel for server OS, the most used kernel on supercomputers, the most used kernel on smartphones and is only used in thousands of products ranging from routers (that are you are probably using right now), NAS and other devices. Your little fantasy world is a joke.
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On security: I removed my front door because i feel front doors have a monopoly over home security, so i replaced my front door with a quilt someone made for me. On the quilt in bold lettering it reads "Frontdoor!".
Terrible analogy. False equivalence.
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On choice and "diversity": I keep watered down white paint in my fridge next to the milk as i feel that its important to ensure my visitors have choice.
Terrible analogy. And it doesn't even makes sense.
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On functionality and ease of use: Sandpaper vs toilet paper? which do you prefer.
Ridiculous analogy. Are you even being serious?
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If Windows was a powerdrill, Linux is a spoon being rotated at speed between two hands.
I actually laughed, but it's also a horrible analogy. And it's wrong. Linux is FAR more versatile.
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Functionality is not the outcome of a monopoly, its the outcome of proper R&D and team work.
It is in the sense being used here, that device drivers are largely developed for Windows (and occasionally OS X) only.
post #103 of 237
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Originally Posted by girugamesh View Post

I was thinking more along the lines of productivity software.....and even considering your example, you are simply exposing my point, that the users and developers are stuck in a loop that circles around Windows. This is the problem. Not having multiple options towards the same end is the opposite of progress I'm criticizing here. And at no point I said anything about Linux, and since when not wanting to contribute to a monopoly equates "giving the finger"? And what with the typical MS kid hostility? Hipsters? Is this a war now, lol.
Yes, it's a joke, it's only the most used kernel for server OS, the most used kernel on supercomputers, the most used kernel on smartphones and is only used in thousands of products ranging from routers (that are you are probably using right now), NAS and other devices. Your little fantasy world is a joke.
Terrible analogy. False equivalence.
Terrible analogy. And it doesn't even makes sense.
Ridiculous analogy. Are you even being serious?
I actually laughed, but it's also a horrible analogy. And it's wrong. Linux is FAR more versatile.
It is in the sense being used here, that device drivers are largely developed for Windows (and occasionally OS X) only.

Ridiculous analogies...ok, but other than pick at them, you've still not given one realistic reason as to why linux is some sort of savior, other than not being windows.

How do you suggest we get devs/pubs to switch to linux? They dont even listen to us when it comes to gameplay changes 99.99% of the time and they all prefer consoles due to the large userbase, so what makes you think they'll jump ship to linux? Some obscure cmdline based distro created by username: fedora-son.

As for linux being great server side. Id never try to convince someone otherwise. But thats it.
Edited by LoLomgbbq - 5/24/16 at 9:07pm
post #104 of 237
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This reads like someone who's arguing to get rid of male/female toilets for the sake of diveristy/progress or some unrealistic sense of a perfect world, but then gets angry and accuses someone of being sexist when its suggested we then in turn get rid of women only gyms. The hypocrisy is not funny, but really strange.

I have no issue with choice, but the issue is that linux is not a reasonable or realistic choice in any sense. At least not until you have away to convince the developers/publishers out there to drop everything they know and move over to linux.

UWP = But our fullscreen, gsync, sli, injectors and mods!!! Thou can not taketh away.

Linux = Its not windows. Submit!

Linux <> Windows. Thanks for clearing up the obvious for us.

Windows created a near monopoly on the desktop with great backward compatibility and the flexibility to build/configure our systems how we wanted, purchasing and installing programs where and when we wanted.

The new walled garden M$ wants to move away from that model to one that ensures they get a piece of the action either through selling your actions to 3rd party advertisers or via an 'Apple tax' from the Microsoft store.

The desktop application ecosystem on Windows is it's sole strength and appeal. The new direction of M$ is to dismantle that ecosystem. A few choices at a time.

Linux or other *nixs may not be a realistic choice for you. Yet. It has won the mobile space. Conquered the server space. The embedded space. Can you see where this is going?
post #105 of 237
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Originally Posted by LoLomgbbq View Post

Ridiculous analogies...ok, but other than pick at them, you've still not given one realistic reason as to why linux is some sort of savior, other than not being windows.

How do you suggest we get devs/pubs to switch to linux? they dont even listen to use when it comes to gameplay changes 99.99% of the time.
They all prefer consoles due to the large userbase, what makes you think they jump ship to linux? Some obscure cmdline based distro created by fedor-son.

As for linux being great server side. Id never try to convince someone otherwise. But thats it.

I'm not saying Linux is the savior, but it does have some market share.

And you suggest devs move their bottoms with money. For one, DirectX should have died a long time now. By developing for OpenGL, and Vulkan in the next few years, much of your game is already developed. The rest of the game? Why do you think so many games have little or no optimization? They just take that mess of a code and compile to Windows libraries.

I do my part. Even though I have my Win partition for games I only buy games made for Linux and will do so for a good few years. I have plenty of other things to do and my backlog is very large already. I could take a 10 years hiatus and would still have some games to play and others to REplay.
post #106 of 237
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Linux <> Windows. Thanks for clearing up the obvious for us.

Windows created a near monopoly on the desktop with great backward compatibility and the flexibility to build/configure our systems how we wanted, purchasing and installing programs where and when we wanted.

The new walled garden M$ wants to move away from that model to one that ensures they get a piece of the action either through selling your actions to 3rd party advertisers or via an 'Apple tax' from the Microsoft store.

The desktop application ecosystem on Windows is it's sole strength and appeal. The new direction of M$ is to dismantle that ecosystem. A few choices at a time.

Linux or other *nixs may not be a realistic choice for you. Yet. It has won the mobile space. Conquered the server space. The embedded space.
Can you see where this is going?

Yeah, nowhere, just like linux.

Linux has the mobile space because of Google, not because of haxor1337linuxDev. Besides, why is it a monopoly for MS to have "conquered" the desktop space for OS, but its perfectly ok that Google with Android, have done the same with the mobile space.
post #107 of 237
Ms needs to show this during upgrade. smile.gif
post #108 of 237
Microsoft's new slogan;

"Windows 10: An operating system so awesome that we have to trick you into installing it."
post #109 of 237
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Originally Posted by LoLomgbbq View Post

Yeah, nowhere, just like linux.

Linux has the mobile space because of Google, not because of haxor1337linuxDev. Besides, why is it a monopoly for MS to have "conquered" the desktop space for OS, but its perfectly ok that Google with Android, have done the same with the mobile space.

Not saying Google gets a free pass, they don't. But, they do get a pass on their path. They're an advertising company that expanded their advertising market into mobile using the linux codebase. Google have always been an advertising company. You know what you're gonna get from the "Do no evil" company: Data-mined to hell and more advertising. That's also why I personally don't use any of their advertising platforms.

Microsoft on the other hand, were born in a gentler time, when software was a thing and the internet wasn't. Yes, they got their start by basically stealing Q&D DOS and reselling it to IBM, but still they developed as a software house providing an OS that could support a wondrous and varied software ecosystem.

However, now Microsoft is in a tough place spot - #1 in a market on a downward trend. They missed the datamine-you-to-hell mobile train and as is their style have overreacted, just as they missed the internet and overreacted. M$ have virtually zero market share in the still growing mobile space and to compensate they need to punish, spy on and aggregate their longtime desktop customers. They desperately need those one billion Windows 10 users captured, mined and resold to advertisers.

They will also fail miserably at it, as is their style. Possibly by the 3rd or 4th iteration they might find a balanced path between trampling over their user's system and locking in a solid advertising revenue stream.

That's my objection. I purchased an OS. I did not willingly signup for the OS to morph into datamining-to-hell ad service on the desktop. As a content creator, the Win 10 EULA is absolutely chilling. They grant themselves a royalty-free license to any content on their your system. In exchange for using their badly coded and poorly tested OS 'enhancements'. No thanks.

There's free and then there's IP theft. Microsoft just granted themselves a license to steal from their users. Sure, just like FB and all the social media platforms, but it's easy to stay off FB. A little harder to stay off your OS. Unless it's you, LoLomgbbq and Linux. tongue.gif

When my Win7 boxes are EOL. I'll pull them offline and continue to use them. For other online tasks will pick a flavor of Linux that suits my needs or worse, use OSX. Microsoft doesn't give a poo about me and now the feeling is mutual.

Or...I can spend 5x as much to get their 'Enterprise" edition because big business can opt out of the data-mine gravy train. Or so we're led to believe.

PS - Apple got their last decade success from nix - BSD - proving that two evils can make a right (for shareholders) richest company in the world.
post #110 of 237

ISP's do it, Google do it, Apple do it, so who cares in M$py do it?

 

There are camera's every other step so who cares if they put camera's in my home, I have nothing to hide.

 

You people couldn't possibly promote fascism any more than you are already.

 

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I don't know if you're trolling or if you're legitimately insane, but to some extent you are right. It's a joke that in 2016 Windows still use a toy file system like NTFS. In fact, it's a shame the industry standard is a joke like Windows. It's a joke we even have to be tied to a single proprietary OS on the Desktop.

You're not tied to a single OS on the desktop. Just read this fine post below talking about Linux and diversity. besides, its developers of games that are choosing Windows over Linux, can you take a guess as to why that is?

If devs dont cater to highend gfx with every release on the pc and choose to cater to the largest userbase, that being consoles and that hardware level of performance, what hell of a reason is there for them to target linux other than for hipsters being able to give MS the finger?

Even valve cant get anyone to take Linux seriously.
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Have to agree. Monopolies serve no one but the monopolists themselves. Maybe in the next century Linux on the desktop can achieve a 30 percent share. Of the remaining 100 desktops in existence.

The only joke is Linux
  • On security: I removed my front door because i feel front doors have a monopoly over home security, so i replaced my front door with a quilt someone made for me. On the quilt in bold lettering it reads "Frontdoor!".
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  • On choice and "diversity": I keep watered down white paint in my fridge next to the milk as i feel that its important to ensure my visitors have choice.
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  • On functionality and ease of use: Sandpaper vs toilet paper? which do you prefer.
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  • If Windows was a powerdrill, Linux is a spoon being rotated at speed between two hands.


Functionality is not the outcome of a monopoly, its the outcome of proper R&D, team work and years of refinement and doing the one thing the Linux community has never been able to do - Listen the the end-user, incorporate their requests and needs..

 

Linux is such a joke that even M$py run it on their servers. You couldn't possibly fail more, could you?

 

http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/4962

https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/windowsserver/2015/05/06/microsoft-loves-linux/

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