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My opinion on the matter is that everyone does this with every change in computers. I remember my friends refusing to switch from XP to 7 too, claiming the same things people do about Windows 10 (aside from the privacy issues, which they can now use as a scapegoat). It's the same reason they refuse to switch to Linux, that change would be the death of them. Most people (note: not tech enthusiasts) have no reason not to take a free operating system upgrade besides laziness.

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Originally Posted by superhead91 View Post

One, if it's not broken, it doesn't need to be fixed. Second, legacy systems.

Sometimes that mentality is the wrong one:

https://news.vice.com/article/windows-31-is-still-alive-and-it-just-killed-a-french-airport
 
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Originally Posted by Diablosbud View Post

My opinion on the matter is that everyone does this with every change in computers. I remember my friends refusing to switch from XP to 7 too, claiming the same things people do about Windows 10 (aside from the privacy issues, which they can now use as a scapegoat).

From the time 64-bit drivers became ubiquitous around 2008, until XP x64 stopped being supported with security updates (2014 or, if you were willing to use Server 2003 R2 updates, mid-2015), there really weren't many good reasons to switch to Windows 7, unless you were gaming an needed DX10/11, or had CPUs new enough to support AVX/AVX2.

To this day, XP x64/Server 2003 R2 x64 will generally perform comparably with 7 or 10 on a Nehalem/Westmere era parts and isn't any less stable.

It's the same story with Windows 10. If you want DX12 you need Windows 10, but otherwise, as an OS, it has few compelling advantages over what came before it.
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Most people (note: not tech enthusiasts) have no reason not to take a free operating system upgrade besides laziness.

Laziness is a great reason not to waste time with changes that don't bring improvements.
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Originally Posted by Blameless View Post

It's the same story with Windows 10. If you want DX12 you need Windows 10, but otherwise, as an OS, it has few compelling advantages over what came before it.
On that note, i regret updating to Win10 (not that i would be able to stick with Win7 much longer, anyway, given that they're adamant about moving everyone to the former). I reckon the effort necessary to ward off the update is, probably, as frustrating as dealing with Win10 itself, though.

I suppose i don't really regret updating to Win10, then, so much as regretting the fact that Microsoft wants everyone off of the previous iterations. But, like people have said here, till another OS presents an ACTUAL alternative to Windows, there's not much the majority of the people can do.
    
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Linux on the desktop is niche and itll stay that way until the linux community bands together (which will never happen) and pays for an extremely expensive marketing campaign to make the masses aware Linux even exists.

Second, in a world currently terrified for its privacy, good luck getting you avg joe to accept open source software. People want the security and feeling that only a legitimate paid for piece of software that comes from a well known company such MS can provide.

All MS would have to do to stop linux from having any chance in taking over their market share would be to ask your everyday user "Would you feel comfortable using software and OS that can be edited/created/modified and accessed by bedroom hackers and malicious individuals?" - Boom! bye bye linux.


That potential message is way too easy to dismantle.

First of all, would customers trust a company that is telling them that and at the very same time says... prepare for this:

Microsoft loves Linux


Secondly, if they were to start pushing that agenda despite the above, at one point people would be faced with the fact that anyone can inspect Open Source code, whereas only Microsoft and a few government officials around the world that pressured Microsoft into giving them access know what's inside Microsoft's closed source software.

So, given these facts, which version would people trust more?


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Originally Posted by Diablosbud View Post

My opinion on the matter is that everyone does this with every change in computers. I remember my friends refusing to switch from XP to 7 too, claiming the same things people do about Windows 10 (aside from the privacy issues, which they can now use as a scapegoat). It's the same reason they refuse to switch to Linux, that change would be the death of them. Most people (note: not tech enthusiasts) have no reason not to take a free operating system upgrade besides laziness.

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Originally Posted by superhead91 View Post

One, if it's not broken, it doesn't need to be fixed. Second, legacy systems.

Sometimes that mentality is the wrong one:

https://news.vice.com/article/windows-31-is-still-alive-and-it-just-killed-a-french-airport


Besides laziness... and incompatible programs, incompatible hardware, and yes, privacy concerns, which isn't a scapegoat. And as Blameless said, changes that don't bring improvements and I might add, features that users have no use for.


People refused to change OSes for a myriad of reasons. And changing from XP to 7 was nowhere near a thing as you're making it out to be. From XP to Vista, yes, and there were objective reasons why doing it wasn't such a good idea. Personally, I had no problem with Vista in my use cases, but I stayed away from it on my main rig and upgraded to 7 even before it was officially out. I started dual booting XP Home Edition with Windows 7 64-bit Beta, then the Release candidate and then when it came out later in 2009, the RTM version. I was also excited about the new Windows 8, so much so I built a computer out of spare parts to test it out a full year before it went RTM. Well, and the rest is history, I didn't like it for a set of reasons, not entirely the same as the reasons why I don't like Windows 10.
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Linux offers way more choice than windows biggrin.gif :
http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/2789350/

And it isnt for niche uses, the avarage user needs a browser, e-mail client, and media player, etc. Linux has all of them so its a pretty good replacement.
That picture actually makes windows look the most appealing
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I have Windows 10 on my desktop/gaming computer. I like Windows 10.

But Microsoft is justifying everyone's suspicion of them with these tactics. If they're willing to resort to malware tactics to force people to upgrade against their will, what the hell else are they doing behind the scenes?

As for the Linux discussion, if all you do is watch Youtube videos and write word documents, Linux is a viable alternative. Or if you enjoy tweaking and configuring (WINE is great, but it was always a challenge to get things working with it). Or you have an old computer that still works just fine, but Microsoft decided to stop supporting in any way.
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Well we had two laptops here in my office that "magically" upgraded to windows 10 overnight. I assumed the users screwed up and did something wrong but they probably hit the X like usual. Wasn't much of a problem except for Acrobat Pro 9 not working well with Win10, now I need to get 2 new acrobat pros.
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Originally Posted by tpi2007 View Post

That potential message is way too easy to dismantle.

First of all, would customers trust a company that is telling them that and at the very same time says... prepare for this:

Microsoft loves Linux


Secondly, if they were to start pushing that agenda despite the above, at one point people would be faced with the fact that anyone can inspect Open Source code, whereas only Microsoft and a few government officials around the world that pressured Microsoft into giving them access know what's inside Microsoft's closed source software.

So, given these facts, which version would people trust more?
Besides laziness... and incompatible programs, incompatible hardware, and yes, privacy concerns, which isn't a scapegoat. And as Blameless said, changes that don't bring improvements and I might add, features that users have no use for.


People refused to change OSes for a myriad of reasons. And changing from XP to 7 was nowhere near a thing as you're making it out to be. From XP to Vista, yes, and there were objective reasons why doing it wasn't such a good idea. Personally, I had no problem with Vista in my use cases, but I stayed away from it on my main rig and upgraded to 7 even before it was officially out. I started dual booting XP Home Edition with Windows 7 64-bit Beta, then the Release candidate and then when it came out later in 2009, the RTM version. I was also excited about the new Windows 8, so much so I built a computer out of spare parts to test it out a full year before it went RTM. Well, and the rest is history, I didn't like it for a set of reasons, not entirely the same as the reasons why I don't like Windows 10.

I agree. I understand that Privacy gets raised as an issue when we get into these discussions and we know that other vendors are equally or more so violating user privacy. The poster who says it it merely a scapegoat is uniformed or misinformed.

Personally I have chosen not to take advantage of the free upgrade to W10, as I see it as not adding any value to what I currently have. The sneaky tricks are amusing, but then I have enough computer savvy to know how to combat them - tnx to scripts provided by others.

Profiling users has become the new cash cow of the digital world - info gathered on an individual without they knowing exactly what is being harvested and who has access to it. The big players like Apple, MS and Google do this for various reasons, but I expect what they are doing today is just the tip of the iceberg and that makes it concerning. Today software does much of this, but when TPM is enabled and fully functional under W10, (it is mandatory in W10) it will up the ante. Then it will be impossible to know what they have their hands on.
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Biggest problem with Windows 10 is that it's still a Beta OS. It will take another 2 years before its fully finished.
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I upgraded the week it came out, haven't looked back since.

None of my free-er games have ever been uninstalled albeit I haven't acquired any in quite some time.

I've not had a single driver issue (except for AMD's typical GPU bs. Which was happening on 7 and 8 also.)

All my peripherals work, instant driver installs for plug and plays.

Windows Xbox App is amazing and I use it constantly.

So unless you have a very specific reason to not upgrade, like you're ISIS or anti-banking hacker then why not?
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