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Or get a version of Windows that doesn't have these Win 10 pop ups biggrin.gif
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Or get a version of Windows that doesn't have these Win 10 pop ups biggrin.gif

or just disable windows update and only review and patch once a month
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I only mentioned it because it seems to be the "elephant in the room" with regards to people not wanting to upgrade. It's not the reason why I am holding off on upgrading though. thumb.gif

I feel you.

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Originally Posted by Code-Red View Post

We all complain about ISP's and other OS's (Android and iPhone) subverting our privacy as well, is there a reason Microsoft is exempt from such scrutiny?

Pointing the finger and saying "look, they do it too!" is nonsense. We should all strive for better privacy protections in all walks of technology.

Microsoft is not exempt from anything.

The reality is that your ISP gathers the same exact data on the first node.

Firefox, gathers the same exact data on the first node.

Chrome, gathers the same exact data on the first node.

The reality isn't "they do it too", it's "EVERYONE IS DOING IT"...Everyone. Literally every ISP I can name, every single retailer and their products, every single phone and browser...

Instead of facing reality, you take aim at the one service (Windows is not an OS anymore, it's now a SERVICE) that reports the LEAST AMOUNT OF ALL OF THEM back to their house entity. - It's insanity.

There is absolutely no reason not to upgrade to W10 based on privacy. Unless you have a phobia of reality, that is.
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I feel you.
Microsoft is not exempt from anything.

The reality is that your ISP gathers the same exact data on the first node.

Firefox, gathers the same exact data on the first node.

Chrome, gathers the same exact data on the first node.

The reality isn't "they do it too", it's "EVERYONE IS DOING IT"...Everyone. Literally every ISP I can name, every single retailer and their products, every single phone and browser...

Instead of facing reality, you take aim at the one service (Windows is not an OS anymore, it's now a SERVICE) that reports the LEAST AMOUNT OF ALL OF THEM back to their house entity. - It's insanity.

There is absolutely no reason not to upgrade to W10 based on privacy. Unless you have a phobia of reality, that is.

Then explain to me why they are trying so hard to get people to use Windows 10...
In a couple of months Windows 10 won't be free anymore, there is something off about this whole thing. Besides, Windows 7 works great, I don't want the Windows store and I hope Vulkan will be more widely used than DX12, that way I don't need Windows anymore.
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Windows related or not, changing the behaviour of the close action to "yes please do it" is pretty lame.

Lame... and... suspicious... lamecious.
Edited by _Chimera - 5/24/16 at 10:54am
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I guess I will have to add these removal features to WOLF.

Although the irony for me is that I am a Windows 10 early adopter and I like it, not sure why MS is forcing people onto it though.
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I feel you.
Microsoft is not exempt from anything.

The reality is that your ISP gathers the same exact data on the first node.

Firefox, gathers the same exact data on the first node.

Chrome, gathers the same exact data on the first node.

The reality isn't "they do it too", it's "EVERYONE IS DOING IT"...Everyone. Literally every ISP I can name, every single retailer and their products, every single phone and browser...

Instead of facing reality, you take aim at the one service (Windows is not an OS anymore, it's now a SERVICE) that reports the LEAST AMOUNT OF ALL OF THEM back to their house entity. - It's insanity.

There is absolutely no reason not to upgrade to W10 based on privacy. Unless you have a phobia of reality, that is.

Speaking from an insider's perspective I can say that what Microsoft collects is but a shadow of Google and Apple. These two are capable of building an entire personal profile on a person based solely on the activities said person does on their phone, let alone a desktop environment. Your phone is everything that is you: where you go, how much you spend, who you call and when and how often and for how long, when you go to sleep (based on an approximation of your final charge hookup for the night), when you wake up, your movements, etc, etc, etc.

I'm not saying it's okay and I'm not saying it's not okay - I'm just saying that everyone does it. We have to accept it (for now, or just not use whatever "it" is) until better regulation somehow makes its way through Big Government (which it likely won't) that better protects the end-user.

In the meantime, Microsoft is about the only company out there that is being overt in what they want and who they want it from. Google and Apple and every single cell phone carrier and ISP on the face of the earth are covert and mask want they want behind pages and pages of EULA - undoubtedly written in legalease - with the reasonable expectation that very few people will ever read it.

Why bash Microsoft for what they do and nobody else?

Complain about them all or complain about none at all. Don't single one out for what others do.

Edit: Not saying you specifically Masked are complaining.. your post just seemed like a good jumping point for mine. thumb.gif
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Then explain to me why they are trying so hard to get people to use Windows 10...
In a couple of months Windows 10 won't be free anymore, there is something off about this whole thing. Besides, Windows 7 works great, I don't want the Windows store and I hope Vulkan will be more widely used than DX12, that way I don't need Windows anymore.

I wonder why they're trying to get people to adopt a service platform as opposed to an individual OS platform...

If you have to ask that...Yeah...We've got some serious issues.

Nobody ever said Windows 7 didn't work fine...The issue presented was privacy.

In terms of privacy, W10/M$ are actually the lesser evil compared to everything else...The other conjecture and speculation, is just that...They're not facts.

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Originally Posted by Dienz View Post

Speaking from an insider's perspective I can say that what Microsoft collects is but a shadow of Google and Apple. These two are capable of building an entire personal profile on a person based solely on the activities said person does on their phone, let alone a desktop environment. Your phone is everything that is you: where you go, how much you spend, who you call and when and how often and for how long, when you go to sleep (based on an approximation of your final charge hookup for the night), when you wake up, your movements, etc, etc, etc.

I'm not saying it's okay and I'm not saying it's not okay - I'm just saying that everyone does it. We have to accept it (for now, or just not use whatever "it" is) until better regulation somehow makes its way through Big Government (which it likely won't) that better protects the end-user.

In the meantime, Microsoft is about the only company out there that is being overt in what they want and who they want it from. Google and Apple and every single cell phone carrier and ISP on the face of the earth are covert and mask want they want behind pages and pages of EULA - undoubtedly written in legalease - with the reasonable expectation that very few people will ever read it.

Why bash Microsoft for what they do and nobody else?

Complain about them all or complain about none at all. Don't single one out for what others do.

Edit: Not saying you specifically Masked are complaining.. your post just seemed like a good jumping point for mine. thumb.gif

Bingo!!!!
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The fact it's the only OS that requires third-party software to turn off non-optional spyware heavily ingrained and hidden within the OS would be a start.
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Seriously, if you guys have so much problems with MS doing things like this why do you buy or use their products? It only gives them the signal that people will accept this and they'll continue down this path. Seriously, if people wanted to change MS's mind very fast they would just start using alternative OSes. Why don't consumers ever do their part?

I am curious though how MS is going to make money if no one buys Win10 (or are they just going to rely on OEMs paying them for it)?


Your argument contains a problem in its premise. I bought Windows 7 back in 2009 when neither the OS neither Microsoft was acting in this way. I paid for the licenses I own and with them comes a 10 year support period which I have the right to enjoy. Suggesting that I move away because of Windows 10 is wrong on many levels. Is Microsoft going to reimburse me of the remaining support years? Of course not, so why would I be the one on the losing end?

But you're wrong on the second part. Consumers are doing their part. First is not moving to Windows 10 and hence the increasingly deceptive and desperate measures Microsoft is coming up with and then it's the statistics that say that Windows globally went down below 90 usage share for the first time since measurements are being made. It's currently below 89% actually and a lot of the share went to Mac OS.

http://netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0



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Originally Posted by Dienz View Post

Speaking from an insider's perspective I can say that what Microsoft collects is but a shadow of Google and Apple. These two are capable of building an entire personal profile on a person based solely on the activities said person does on their phone, let alone a desktop environment. Your phone is everything that is you: where you go, how much you spend, who you call and when and how often and for how long, when you go to sleep (based on an approximation of your final charge hookup for the night), when you wake up, your movements, etc, etc, etc.

I'm not saying it's okay and I'm not saying it's not okay - I'm just saying that everyone does it. We have to accept it (for now, or just not use whatever "it" is) until better regulation somehow makes its way through Big Government (which it likely won't) that better protects the end-user.

In the meantime, Microsoft is about the only company out there that is being overt in what they want and who they want it from. Google and Apple and every single cell phone carrier and ISP on the face of the earth are covert and mask want they want behind pages and pages of EULA - undoubtedly written in legalease - with the reasonable expectation that very few people will ever read it.

Why bash Microsoft for what they do and nobody else?

Complain about them all or complain about none at all. Don't single one out for what others do.

Edit: Not saying you specifically Masked are complaining.. your post just seemed like a good jumping point for mine. thumb.gif



You don't have to use Google or Apple's store and their services. I don't have to accept anything and in fact don't use either of those OSes.

And I criticize them all. Many of these companies, Google, Facebook, etc are being sued in many countries around the world because lots of other people also don't agree with these practices.


Now, why on earth does this keep being brought up in Microsoft threads? Not talking about the other companies is simply staying on topic, it means zero when it comes to agreeing or disagreeing with them, so stop implying that there is a contradiction.

Now why on earth is Windows 10 pinging Microsoft's servers each and every time you search for something locally even with Internet search turned off? Does your ISP know when you're searching for something on your computer? Does your ISP have the full list of installed software like Microsoft now wants to have in order to purportedly be able to fix bugs (bullcrap argument I've debunked several times)? No.

Your ISP by definition can't know a lot of the things that such a core part of the computing experience as the Operating System can. This is mindbogglingly simple and it astounds me how some of you still think that your arguments can pass the smell test. If you don't take a principle stand you are bound to accept anything that comes from Microsoft and any bullcrap excuse they come up with.
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