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post #91 of 237
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Originally Posted by spinFX View Post

People use Windows because there is no other choice in some cases. For example, i use 3 programs which are not available on linux or any other os besides win and osx, and I'm not a fan of OS X (even though I occasionally use an OS X VM to do some specific things). If i want to use these programs I have to use Windows, there is no question. There are alternatives to these programs on Linux, but they are either of lower quality or not compatible with the windows program (which when it comes to work stuff, it needs to be compatible!)

and if there's no choice in using Windows, I'm going to use the version that suits best.

In terms of microsoft making money:
App and In-app purchases

Yeah windows its just so much more convenient for the average pc user. Everyone knows how to use windows in some basic manner.
post #92 of 237
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Originally Posted by Rookie1337 View Post

Seriously, if you guys have so much problems with MS doing things like this why do you buy or use their products?

How many games support Linux?

90% of the games I've been playing this year are only compatible with Windows. Hopefully the videogame industry can get together and collectively shun DirectX 12, the more Vulkan support we see in games the better.
I'd love to see Apple take a stab at supporting high end gaming, they could be really good at it.

Fundamentally the problem here is that Microsoft has demonstrated a willingness to do anything they can to improve their own metrics, right now the sky is the limit, tomorrow they could start disabling software willy nilly and tell you to use the "free***" Microsoft branded version, and then the next day they could lock out all the features you actually use and tell you to pay for it.

We still don't know their end game.
Maybe everything is going to be business as usual, maybe Microsoft just wants to "unify the Windows platform" and make everything more reliable, or maybe they want to kill off all the legacy software on the market and force everyone into using paid services locked to the Windows store.
After this fiasco we know that they are willing to purposefully frustrate people who don't comply with their benevolent wishes.
Right now in board meetings they're probably saying that Valve is "taking away" billions of dollars from them by offering the Steam client on Windows.

I haven't used Windows for web browsing in over five years, but we'll see if Windows 10 ends up being useful for gaming. I've said it many times before, we won't know how this plays out until after the fact. User agreements for modern operating systems guarantee the user absolutely nothing.
Right now Microsoft is literally using the same tactics as children finding out how much they can get away with before authorities will punish them.
Break all the rules, see what hurts later. That defines their future strategy for dealing with customers.

Until Windows 10 has been cultivated into a reliable platform for more than a few years, it has to be assumed that Microsoft will break everything they can to try and coerce money out of you.
Edited by ILoveHighDPI - 5/24/16 at 6:59pm
post #93 of 237
Well as we've seen in the past people will only withstand tyrannical practices for so long. Maybe Microsoft is trying slowly shepherd us into good little farm animals so we won't revolt against them when they shut the gate on us giving us nowhere to go. But even if that does happen there will likely be someone to come up behind Microsoft and say they're done with this and provide us with a similar system without the junk of Microsoft to plague us. The problem isn't just that everything we have today works on windows, its that all of out old stuff also runs on windows too.
Edited by Brimlock - 5/24/16 at 7:49pm
post #94 of 237
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Originally Posted by ZealotKi11er View Post

I understand Windows74life but Linux? Why are not using Linux already?

If you can show me an OS that allows me to play a backlog of games spanning nearly 4 decades + emulation, work tools, stable and requires very little manual labor to update/fix...

then im all for it.

But Linux, under no circumstance, is that OS and as long as the userbase remains fragmented and bickering over what is best for the linux community, changes for the sake of changes, cmd line because it makes them feel superior and so on, linux has been left in the dust by MS and is no more a realistic alternative now that it was in the 90s.

Id sooner go back to Vista (which i never had any issue with) than waste my time with linux/ubuntu.


"Hi, new here, how do i do X with Linux distro Y?"

"Well if you dont know...."

"Um oookaay thanks for the help, I guess."
Edited by LoLomgbbq - 5/24/16 at 7:47pm
post #95 of 237
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Originally Posted by LoLomgbbq View Post

If you can show me an OS that allows me to play a backlog of games spanning nearly 4 decades + emulation, work tools, stable and requires very little manual labor to update/fix...

then im all for it.

But Linux, under no circumstance, is that OS and as long as the userbase remains fragmented and bickering over what is best for the linux community, changes for the sake of changes, cmd line because it makes them feel superior and so on, linux has been left in the dust by MS and is no more a realistic alternative now that it was in the 90s.

Id sooner go back to Vista (which i never had any issue with) than waste my time with linux/ubuntu.


"Hi, new here, how do i do X with Linux distro Y?"

"Well if you dont know...."

"Um oookaay thanks for the help, I guess."

I can't believe you've just said that. I thought speaking out against Linux was Taboo, for it is the superior OS that shall rein over all OS when the time of the coming arrives. In all seriousness that is pretty much the blunt truth.
post #96 of 237
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Originally Posted by Skillers Inc View Post

It's no more inflammatory than all the clickbait garbage Microsoft hate that floods this forum daily. And no there are no reasons anyone should use old technology. Period. Your arguments moving forward on this are invalid.


I don't know if you're trolling or if you're legitimately insane, but to some extent you are right. It's a joke that in 2016 Windows still use a toy file system like NTFS. In fact, it's a shame the industry standard is a joke like Windows. It's a joke we even have to be tied to a single proprietary OS on the Desktop.

post #97 of 237
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Originally Posted by LoLomgbbq View Post

If you can show me an OS that allows me to play a backlog of games spanning nearly 4 decades + emulation, work tools, stable and requires very little manual labor to update/fix...

then im all for it.

But Linux, under no circumstance, is that OS and as long as the userbase remains fragmented and bickering over what is best for the linux community, changes for the sake of changes, cmd line because it makes them feel superior and so on, linux has been left in the dust by MS and is no more a realistic alternative now that it was in the 90s.

Id sooner go back to Vista (which i never had any issue with) than waste my time with linux/ubuntu.


"Hi, new here, how do i do X with Linux distro Y?"

"Well if you dont know...."

"Um oookaay thanks for the help, I guess."

I can't believe you've just said that. I thought speaking out against Linux was Taboo, for it is the superior OS that shall rein over all OS when the time of the coming arrives. In all seriousness that is pretty much the blunt truth.

The diversity of Linux distros is the strength of linux, if you want something more singular Look into making a BSD more popular.
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I don't know if you're trolling or if you're legitimately insane, but to some extent you are right. It's a joke that in 2016 Windows still use a toy file system like NTFS. In fact, it's a shame the industry standard is a joke like Windows. It's a joke we even have to be tied to a single proprietary OS on the Desktop.

Have to agree. Monopolies serve no one but the monopolists themselves. Maybe in the next century Linux on the desktop can achieve a 30 percent share. Of the remaining 100 desktops in existence.
post #99 of 237
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I don't know if you're trolling or if you're legitimately insane, but to some extent you are right. It's a joke that in 2016 Windows still use a toy file system like NTFS. In fact, it's a shame the industry standard is a joke like Windows. It's a joke we even have to be tied to a single proprietary OS on the Desktop.

You're not tied to a single OS on the desktop. Just read this fine post below talking about Linux and diversity. besides, its developers of games that are choosing Windows over Linux, can you take a guess as to why that is?

If devs dont cater to highend gfx with every release on the pc and choose to cater to the largest userbase, that being consoles and that hardware level of performance, what hell of a reason is there for them to target linux other than for hipsters being able to give MS the finger?

Even valve cant get anyone to take Linux seriously.
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Have to agree. Monopolies serve no one but the monopolists themselves. Maybe in the next century Linux on the desktop can achieve a 30 percent share. Of the remaining 100 desktops in existence.

The only joke is Linux
  • On security: I removed my front door because i feel front doors have a monopoly over home security, so i replaced my front door with a quilt someone made for me. On the quilt in bold lettering it reads "Frontdoor!".
  • On choice and "diversity": I keep watered down white paint in my fridge next to the milk as i feel that its important to ensure my visitors have choice.
  • On functionality and ease of use: Sandpaper vs toilet paper? which do you prefer.
  • If Windows was a powerdrill, Linux is a spoon being rotated at speed between two hands.


Functionality is not the outcome of a monopoly, its the outcome of proper R&D, team work and years of refinement and doing the one thing the Linux community has never been able to do - Listen the the end-user, incorporate their requests and needs..
post #100 of 237
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The only joke is Linux

On security: I removed my front door because i feel front doors have a monopoly over home security, so i replaced my front door with a quilt someone made for me. On the quilt in bold lettering it reads "Frontdoor!".

On choice and "diversity": I keep watered down white paint in my fridge next to the milk as i feel that its important to ensure my visitors have choice.

On functionality and ease of use: Sandpaper vs toilet paper? which do you prefer.

Pretty sure when you thought up these fluffy metaphors they must have sounded really powerful in your mind.

Sadly, the internet has let you down again. Using a weak security metaphor to promote the conduct of a company with one of the worst security track records is....sad.

But, that's ok. We understand how threatening choice can seem. You're perfectly entitled to support the corporate monopolist unified view - consumers need to know their place. And not be making choices outside of defined marketing objectives.

The irony of this latest episode of Microsoft's corporate arrogance is that they may indeed force people to upgrade. Just not to a Microsoft product.
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