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WCCF posted this and people don't think it's a rumor. I'm amused. Kudos to AMD otherwise. WCCF has never been reliable though redface.gif

Seriously... rolleyes.gif


A person takes a graph and alters it to include another bar with "Zen" written to the side of it and all of a sudden it's an official AMD release. Then the conversation goes to "well amd has promised us the same in the past". ***!? AMD had NOTHING to do with this.
 
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Is this company so rock bottom that people will believe anything nowadays? mad.gif
 
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BEFORE WCCFTECH OR ANYONE TAKES THESE AS FACTS, LET ME STATE THAT EVERYTHING BELOW IS PURE SPECULATION

Going by AMD's public statements, IPC will increase by 40% over Excavator.
Which should mean that Zen will be in average 40% faster than XV in single-thread, at the same clocks
Let's assume that cinebench improves exactly by 40% and Zen could clock like mad.(both highly unlikely)

I wasn't able to find results for both Intel and AMD at a lower clock rate than 4,7Ghz so everything below is calculated using those and then extrapolated for realistic clocks.

Piledriver at 4,7Ghz has 112 ST score, which would theoretically put 4,7Ghz Zen at 180 ST score*

Now if according to leaks and rumours Zen has SMT and a classic CPU architecture like Intel's, it means that it MIGHT be possible to make a prediction based on Intel's multi-core scaling.

With an average scaling of 64%** and 8c/16t, Zen could reach 1785MT score (180 x 16 x 0.64) which is close to what 5960x has at the same clocks***

Now let's be realistic and normalise for 3.5Ghz, which makes that 1329 for MT and 134 for ST
This would make Zen REALLY competitive with Intel and maybe force Intel to stop the efficiency train.



* Based on this review, (112 * 1.4 * 1.15)

** Based on average Intel MT scaling from the same article

*** Haswell-E MT scores at 4.7Ghz from HWBOT
Edited by Marios145 - 5/25/16 at 6:14am
post #104 of 564
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Is this company so rock bottom that people will believe anything nowadays? mad.gif

It's been 10 years since Conroe (i.e. "Core 2 Duo") and AMD still hasn't made a single CPU that was competitive with Intel's then-current offerings. Not to mention that despite AMD's marketing campaign, "Fusion" was not the future but instead was a massive flop.

And let's not forget that according to Steam's hardware survey, the GTX 970 has sold more than 3x as many units as the entire R9 200 series combined. I'd throw the R9 300 series and Fury/X cards in as well, but they haven't sold enough to even make the chart to begin with!

As such, a decade of continuous failure in their x86 line along with the recent record-low market share in dGPUs means that the only ones who still back AMD these days are the delusional type to begin with.
Edited by svenge - 5/25/16 at 6:23am
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I like to think that these results should give everyone hope:

Intel Pentium N3540: http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/6697061

AMD A9-9410: http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/5878489

AMD A6-9210: http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/5877926

AMD E2-9010: http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/5875513

Even the lowest-end dual-core chips AMD will be launching soon on the mobile side kick Intel's best mobile Pentium chips in the nads in single-core scores, and the A9-9410 is actually something that I'd want to own and replace my aging Aspire netbook for. AMD is getting its act together in the mobile space, at least, and the desktop should follow suit soon after.
That's actually not bad performance. Pretty impressed.
I'm running a J1900 celeron in my Firewall at the moment at home and might need an upgrade in the future so those small AMD chips could be nice(or if I upgrade to x99 I could always use my 4770k as my firewall biggrin.gif, because 3-10 devices totally need that much throughput and I could always use 24gbs of my 32 on squid cache!).


Again I'm extremely skeptical, this is almost an entire repeat of dozer.
And people were yelling from the rooftops about some benches it actually beat some i7s in multi thread performance.
yet is was trash pretty much anywhere else.
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what I want out of Zen/Zen+ is for it to rustle Intel just enough so that they stop their snail strategy & focus on performance with Cannonlake thumb.gif Cannonlake comes out and reigns supreme redface.gif
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Seriously... rolleyes.gif


A person takes a graph and alters it to include another bar with "Zen" written to the side of it and all of a sudden it's an official AMD release. Then the conversation goes to "well amd has promised us the same in the past". ***!? AMD had NOTHING to do with this.

Leave your common sense at the door, not welcome here.
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What bugs me is that some people wish AMD to fail, so they'd prove their point.
It doesn't matter if they have to pay extra money for Intel, since there's no competition.
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What bugs me is that some people wish AMD to fail, so they'd prove their point.
It doesn't matter if they have to pay extra money for Intel, since there's no competition.

Many people on forums have that problem. I don't really understand how you can get so attached to a brand, but that's just me I guess. Could be a mental health or maturity thing.
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if this is any faster than my 4770k, has good power consumption, and good price/performance I'm dropping Intel like a rock in a hurry.
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