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It doesn't matter if Amd new cpu comes close to Intel cpu in terms of performance, I still go for Intel cpus. The only good thing I see is it might bring those Intel cpu prices down a bit.

Why?
 
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Why?

Because I feel like Intel has a more robust micro architecture and features besides the clock speed, and more reliable. Even for motherboards, I feel like Intel motherboards are more robust, I feel like my money is well spent on Intel side than Amd.

I just feel like Amd cut a corner somewhere to bring down the price compare to Intel and Nvidia.
That's one of the reason why I don't buy Amd video cards either, I always go with Nvidia cards, even though they're more expensive.
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In response to the OP, that graph is obviously cherry picked to represent a best case scenario. However, it does offer an interesting insight into what precisely AMD has been able to achieve. If Piledriver is your baseline and you set that to 1, you can work from there.

Steamroller: 1*1.1=1.1
Excavator (Cinebench): 1.1*1.05=1.155
Excavator (AotS): 1.1*1.15=1.265
Zen (Cinebench): 1.155*1.4=1.617
Zen (AotS): 1.265*1.55=1.96075

I don't think AMD has ever precisely lied about Zen, what they have done is purposefully used selective truths to obfuscate the real capabilities of Zen.
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Because I feel like Intel has a more robust micro architecture and features besides the clock speed, and more reliable. Even for motherboards, I feel like Intel motherboards are more robust, I feel like my money is well spent on Intel side than Amd.

I just feel like Amd cut a corner somewhere to bring down the price compare to Intel and Nvidia.
That's one of the reason why I don't buy Amd video cards either, I always go with Nvidia cards, even though they're more expensive.

And this my friends is brand perception at its finest. Marketing soaked up like a sponge.
Sorry AMD
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And this my friends is brand perception at its finest. Marketing soaked up like a sponge.
Don't be unfair. I'm sure he's using all of those extra features and super high OC's with the robustness of the motherboards. Can't cut corners!
    
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TDP is useless.
Power consumption is different thing.
TDP AMD=TDP INTEL

Why does my amd cpu runs cooler than Intel cpu while using more power?
It is pretty simple
W/die size

Larger die size = better cooling efficiency
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not interchangeable, they are directly related.

let me guess you never owned a sandy bridge chip?

32nm chips

95w tdp same 90*+ temp limit.

what i'm talking about isn't new.

these chips use more volts more amps and more watts yet manage to do this at a lower temperature regardless of type of measurement.

(CSS, yes i know intel has an actual thermal diode but do you think AMD'd lab math is THAT off>? come on.. )

if this processes carries on, Intel is legitimately worried about what AMD might be able to do @ 95w


you've got to go back to 45nm to even get close to these aspect of Ohms law, and intels offering on 45nm were not that efficient.. 65w for a dual core 105w for a low clock quad core.
120w at 40°C is still twice as much heat dissipation as 60w at 90°C. Virtually all of the electricity a CPU uses gets converted into heat, this is true for both AMD and Intel chips. (the rest would be RF emission and I/O signals, which should be under 1 watt).

Temperature is not heat, it's related to heat by things like thermal conductivity and surface area, which are the factors that cause intel chips to run at a higher temperature.
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Because I feel like Intel has a more robust micro architecture and features besides the clock speed, and more reliable. Even for motherboards, I feel like Intel motherboards are more robust, I feel like my money is well spent on Intel side than Amd.

I just feel like Amd cut a corner somewhere to bring down the price compare to Intel and Nvidia.
That's one of the reason why I don't buy Amd video cards either, I always go with Nvidia cards, even though they're more expensive.

That's bullcrap. AMD motherboards are way more robust, they have to be to handle the power draw of a 9590. Also, you really don't understand retail economics.
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yes, robust motherboards. That's why asrock and msi boards are so reliable on intel platforms and suck hind tit on amd, even though they use the same parts? Intel chips don't' put anywhere near the stress that AMD chips do on their MOSFETS.
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TDP is useless.
Power consumption is different thing.
TDP AMD=TDP INTEL

Why does my amd cpu runs cooler than Intel cpu while using more power?
It is pretty simple
W/die size

Larger die size = better cooling efficiency

ok, I see what you're trying to say but it's not that simple. YES intel and AMD both measure/rate TDP a little bit differently. But in desktop PCs its not different enough to really matter much.

HOWEVER AMD and Intel both measure CPU core temp completely differently! For one, AMD cpus don't even have an actual thermometer on their chips, they haven't had one since the original Phenom release (the first chip without one was the PhII). The AMD "core" temp is most comparable to SURFACE temp on an intel chip. to get an AMD temp somewhat close to the intel core temp you need to look at the motherboard's socket temp. Even that isn't particularly accurate.

So to compare the AMD's core temp to your intel's core temp isn't even coming close to comparing apples to apples.
 
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Why?

Because I feel like Intel has a more robust micro architecture and features besides the clock speed, and more reliable. Even for motherboards, I feel like Intel motherboards are more robust, I feel like my money is well spent on Intel side than Amd.

I just feel like Amd cut a corner somewhere to bring down the price compare to Intel and Nvidia.
That's one of the reason why I don't buy Amd video cards either, I always go with Nvidia cards, even though they're more expensive.

And i just thought i see everything,lol.
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