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Jaguar core would simple destroy vishera and zambezi also steamroller.
Yes jaguar has slightly higher IPC at same frequency than even Steamroller. The problem is it wasn't really designed to go over 2.5Ghz and it's hard to even find construction cores that operate that low without 3Ghz+ turbo frequencies which destroys the advantage jaguar has.
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He said very clearly he was speculating. Not making bold claims. He was making a simple point. Relax.

he made a speculation by himself and then was disappointed with his own speculation.


"AMD gonna launch 4 core Zen with the same performance of i5 6600K at the same price point, that would be really disappointing... blah... blah..."

i mean... ok anyone can determine performance of 4 core Zen on 40% ipc increase and 8 core performance, that's fair point.

but how did he know about the price point ? AMD haven't stated anything about Zen's price yet and there's absolutely no rumour about it.

he's disappointed with Zen's price that was also made up by himself. that's totally nonsense.
Well, I don't know what you expected from a guy who thinks that AMD doesn't have much of a chance to catch-up to Intel in the desktop market.

Even going by what you said earlier, that 4C/4T (which according to Waitng4realGPU won't exist, but lets ignore that for a second) could be priced at $149-$159 and would be just as good as a 6600k while also being cheaper...this is a small step forward, as you get same performance for less money instead of less performance for less money, but then again, people have been able to get 6600k for reasonable prices since earlier this year, so this cut down Zen chip would only be worthwhile to new system builders on a budget because anyone who wanted 6600k performance would most likely have gotten a 6600k by then.
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There's no 4C/8T Zen in the FX range anyway, it's going to be a 6C/12T and an 8C/12T.

The 4C/8T is going to be an APU and is rumoured to have the graphics power of the current consoles.

All the CPU's look to be pretty good in their own regard, hoping for aggressive pricing.

Seems to me that the 6C/12T would be a direct competitor to the 6800k, which is currently priced anywhere from $433-$449. Assuming both have equal performance, what would AMD have to do to get people to buy them over the Intel counterpart? It comes down to price yet again, and AMD will most likely sell for a lower price which also might force Intel to lower their price on the 6800k. You can consider this a good thing, as it is nice competition for Intel, but I still don't think its good enough for AMD to become the top dog over intel. Anyone who wants 6800k performance now will have gotten it, just like with the 6600k, and you also have people who are willing to wait for price drops, but just how long will people be willing to wait? A friend once told me that "If you continually wait for the next best thing, all you are gonna be doing is waiting."

Anyways, after all that negativity I'd like to move onto something positive, which is the 4C/8T APU you mentioned. I'm not sure if the "graphics power of current consoles" is all that impressive but at the same time, Intel doesn't offer very good graphic solutions anyways, and in terms of CPU power, it can in theory compete with the 6700k. If this chip is for the desktop market only then I think it's pretty neat depending on where they price it. If they are able to put this chip in laptops then Intel has a major problem on their hands, which is what I expect to happen anyways, since I have faith that AMD has a chance to uppercut Intel in the laptop market.
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pretty sure cinebench implements embree in the renderer.

https://embree.github.io/
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Glad i made you chuckle - lets say i meant in, general, video editing - cos they do, in amd terms and with winrar thats their best results tongue.gif

But i do have luuuuuuuuuve for amd wubsmiley.gif
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FX series tend to better in multi-threaded benchmarks because they have "8" physical cores as opposed to 4 physical and 8 threads. single threaded performance on FX CPU's are far worse than intel because those cores have much less IPC than intels offerings.

If Zen is named FX I'm going to cry because it's a horrible idea. I'm hoping they name it Phenom III or something else.
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I just want a Zen to replace this ageing 1090T in my folder rig. I need a new BOINC cruncher. tongue.gif Hopefully a 6 core or 8 core by them is not expensive.
 
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Anyways, after all that negativity I'd like to move onto something positive, which is the 4C/8T APU you mentioned. I'm not sure if the "graphics power of current consoles" is all that impressive but at the same time, Intel doesn't offer very good graphic solutions anyways, and in terms of CPU power, it can in theory compete with the 6700k. If this chip is for the desktop market only then I think it's pretty neat depending on where they price it. If they are able to put this chip in laptops then Intel has a major problem on their hands, which is what I expect to happen anyways, since I have faith that AMD has a chance to uppercut Intel in the laptop market.

Having the power of current consoles on die will be pretty huge in 2017 and they will be able to fit them into thin notebooks/laptops etc. I'm assuming they will be available to purchase for DIY PC builders too. They are also going to be using HBM but not really sure exactly when and on what products.
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Anyways, after all that negativity I'd like to move onto something positive, which is the 4C/8T APU you mentioned. I'm not sure if the "graphics power of current consoles" is all that impressive but at the same time, Intel doesn't offer very good graphic solutions anyways, and in terms of CPU power, it can in theory compete with the 6700k. If this chip is for the desktop market only then I think it's pretty neat depending on where they price it. If they are able to put this chip in laptops then Intel has a major problem on their hands, which is what I expect to happen anyways, since I have faith that AMD has a chance to uppercut Intel in the laptop market.

Having the power of current consoles on die will be pretty huge in 2017 and they will be able to fit them into thin notebooks/laptops etc. I'm assuming they will be available to purchase for DIY PC builders too. They are also going to be using HBM but not really sure exactly when and on what products.

the little bit of info we do have is pointing towards Ravens Ridge, the successor to Bristol Ridge (ex/carrizo cores) so mid to late 2017?
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FX series tend to better in multi-threaded benchmarks because they have "8" physical cores as opposed to 4 physical and 8 threads. single threaded performance on FX CPU's are far worse than intel because those cores have much less IPC than intels offerings.

If Zen is named FX I'm going to cry because it's a horrible idea. I'm hoping they name it Phenom III or something else.

With AMD now focusing on gamers as their keynotes suggest they could use the "Rage" name for the Consumer Version of Zen.

Imagine how awesome would it be to get a Rage CPU and a Fury GPU, it would synergize with the type of look one gives to the people around constantly interrupting one's wrathfult gaming session tongue.gif
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With AMD now focusing on gamers as their keynotes suggest they could use the "Rage" name for the Consumer Version of Zen.

Imagine how awesome would it be to get a Rage CPU and a Fury GPU, it would synergize with the type of look one gives to the people around constantly interrupting one's wrathfult gaming session tongue.gif

 

Those names would accurately describe my gaming experience, I think I'd appreciate the poetic licence. :2coolsmil

     
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the little bit of info we do have is pointing towards Ravens Ridge, the successor to Bristol Ridge (ex/carrizo cores) so mid to late 2017?
AMD has been trying to release a new line up of APU's every year so I am guessing that it will be roughly a year after Bristol Ridge when we will get a Zen APU. I don't expect the first Zen APU to have HBM or HBM2 on it but I hope I am wrong. It could be another Kaveri type of deal where the memory controller is on die but not used, (Kaveri die supported 4 memory channels with DDR3 and GDDR5 support.)
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