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Their claims of 40% ipc over Excavator is for single thread.
Claims, again they did this with dozer.
Also leaked benches of dozer showed a similar increase in multithread performance and 'forgot' the single thread performance benches as well.

I am SUPER skeptical now, even more so than before.
I really want this to succeed and even beat my 4770k, that'd be neat.
But I'm having the worst case of Deja Vu.
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I'd like to see the single core "thread" performance in Cinebench and how that stacks up with Intel. Sure multicore performance is great but there's also soo many games and programs that are utilizing that first core more than any other that requires a fast single core performance...
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Give us the chip already or rename it to AMD Hype tongue.gif!
 
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Talk talk talk just never-ending talk from AMD. We're STILL waiting on Polaris and it's not even a high-end chip while Nvidia beat them by a mile to a faster chip. And now long have we been hearing about a supposedly beastly new CPU from them without actually seeing anything? I want to believe you, AMD. I truly want to have hope. But they haven't earned the benefit of the doubt from anybody at this point.

What?? We've know for more than a year that Zen will be out in Q4 2016.
So what are you complaining about?? Are we in 2017 or something?
post #95 of 564
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Their claims of 40% ipc over Excavator is for single thread.
They said more than 40% lately which means they most likely already hit the initial 40% target. We could see even better improvements by the time the CPUs will be out.
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What?? We've know for more than a year that Zen will be out in Q4 2016.
So what are you complaining about?? Are we in 2017 or something?

Some people just like complaining I guess?
post #97 of 564
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Claims, again they did this with dozer.
Also leaked benches of dozer showed a similar increase in multithread performance and 'forgot' the single thread performance benches as well.

I am SUPER skeptical now, even more so than before.
I really want this to succeed and even beat my 4770k, that'd be neat.
But I'm having the worst case of Deja Vu.

There are no Zen performance leaks. The IPC gains announced by AMD are actually conservative, considering that they go from a modular design of narrow cores to an SMT design with wider cores that target ST performance. There is no magic involved, BD family had low ST performance by design. That design is abandoned. Clocks now,this is another discussion altogether.
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post #98 of 564
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I'd like to see the single core "thread" performance in Cinebench and how that stacks up with Intel. Sure multicore performance is great but there's also soo many games and programs that are utilizing that first core more than any other that requires a fast single core performance...

Cinebench doesn't tell the whole story, obviously you need a whole lot of different benchmarks to compare and get to an average single core performance number relative to that of other processors.
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Major differences accros the various single core benches.

Going by this info Piledriver to Excavator was between -5% and 40% increase. In the case of Zen I expect something just like it where it will do well in some benches and less in others.
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They said more than 40% lately which means they most likely already hit the initial 40% target. We could see even better improvements by the time the CPUs will be out.
They aren't going to do anything except disable as much of the non working parts of the design as they can. They can only simulate so much aka a few hundred micro seconds so they test things where they expect problems. As one of their engineers said "In the first second of bootup the processors has gone trough more cycles than our simulations which ran for months"

They have silicon back no major changes will be made they are mostly testing to see if it meets specifications. I think they are particularly interested in how their new architecture new node chip does in terms of efficiency. It's the most important factor and will determine whether it is data center viable.
Edited by maarten12100 - 5/25/16 at 5:39am
post #99 of 564
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There were certainly some IPC improvement there was a review of this by a German site comparing Excavator to Pile and Steam.
http://www.planet3dnow.de/cms/18564-amd-piledriver-vs-steamroller-vs-excavator-leistungsvergleich-der-architekturen/
It's in German obviously.

 

:D

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Claims, again they did this with dozer.
Also leaked benches of dozer showed a similar increase in multithread performance and 'forgot' the single thread performance benches as well.

I am SUPER skeptical now, even more so than before.

 

I like to think that these results should give everyone hope:

 

Intel Pentium N3540: http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/6697061

 

AMD A9-9410: http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/5878489

 

AMD A6-9210: http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/5877926

 

AMD E2-9010: http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/5875513

 

Even the lowest-end dual-core chips AMD will be launching soon on the mobile side kick Intel's best mobile Pentium chips in the nads in single-core scores, and the A9-9410 is actually something that I'd want to own and replace my aging Aspire netbook for. AMD is getting its act together in the mobile space, at least, and the desktop should follow suit soon after.

post #100 of 564
WCCF posted this and people don't think it's a rumor. I'm amused. Kudos to AMD otherwise. WCCF has never been reliable though redface.gif
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