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Kyle was far from the truth - you don't design a 232mm^2 card with 32 ROPs to compete in the higher-end market.
These facts was invalidated his analysis.

Kyle was also wrong about initial quantities for North America.

Glofo process is currently in a bad state - this is my theory as to why P10 is drawing an extra 40W.

I'm starting to think 0j010 wasn't so wrong after all.

@Oj010

They did not invalidate his analysis, since there is no evidence 32 RoPs are a bottleneck, considering the card posts almost linear scaling with memory OC. Something that would not happen if RoPs were the problem. What they (reviews) did confirm is that it runs hotter and slower than Pascal by significant margin. And i mean, look at that power consumption alone, all PCI slot drama aside.

Next, where is your source for launch supplies in NA to disprove Kyle's estimation? In fact, it was actually cited as a good supply at launch by other sites.

And finally, i have to think that yes, Oj010's source was correct but AMD managed to work around the limitation in next revision of chip. At the cost of power consumption and basically selling factory OCd cards as reference (yes, considering the present silicon lottery rampant even in reviews i can't call current reference rx480s anything but OCd with overvoltage to improve overall yield at given frequency), mind you, but they did.

And finally, whether the main part of Kyle's editorial (The Intel-RTG deal) works out remains to be seen.
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Gotta say it, Kyle was pretty close in his prognostications, unfortunately .frown.gif

I have no comments on his musings about the internal strife at AMD (and quite frankly since none of that stuff is verifiable, it's a moot point), but this statement here:
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In the simplest terms AMD has created a product that runs hotter and slower than its competition's new architecture by a potentially significant margin.

Sadly that does seem to ring true. Well maybe we can argue "runs hotter", but slower and more power hungry yes and indeed by a significant margin.
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I have no comments on his musings about the internal strife at AMD (and quite frankly since none of that stuff is verifiable, it's a moot point), but this statement here:
Sadly that does seem to ring true. Well maybe we can argue "runs hotter", but slower and more power hungry yes and indeed by a significant margin.

AMD is not competing with Nvidia's newest cards.
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Doesn't change what was said.
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Doesn't change what was said.

Technically true, but why are we comparing apples and oranges?
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Sadly that does seem to ring true. Well maybe we can argue "runs hotter", but slower and more power hungry yes and indeed by a significant margin.

It could be argued that this is AMDs biggest failure currency.
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When I look at an organization like the Radeon Technologies Group and its core focus right now, it has all but abandoned the AMD CPU team who are a distant priority in the mind of Koduri and his lieutenants (and it could easily be argued that Rory Read caused this full disconnect to start unravelling years ago with his disdain for the GPU group). The promise that was the marriage of once again having a best-in-class CPU and leading GPU technology is dead and it’s never coming back to AMD. That ship has sailed much to the chagrin of a large group of AMD-ers in Austin, TX. That is not to say that there is not a place at tech table with AMD’s name on it, but it is relegating its own assets to push forward others’ tech in hopes of finding a bone on the floor to give it sustenance.

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Technically true, but why are we comparing apples and oranges?

Failure to produce a competitive product doesn't magically change the apple to an orange. They are both medium size chips and the performance delta between them is 65-85%...
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Technically true, but why are we comparing apples and oranges?

What apples and oranges? I'm just pointing out that maybe Kyle isn't 100% full of hot air after all.
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It could be argued that this is AMDs biggest failure currency.

Failure to produce a competitive product doesn't magically change the apple to an orange. They are both medium size chips and the performance delta between them is 65-85%...

Except one is selling for $240 and the other for $450, but it's basically the same thing right?
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Well you've just played right into Kyle's hands:
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Now, I am sure AMD will take every step possible to mitigate this gap but the simple reality of the situation as it stands today is that AMD has a loser on its hands and are going to have to pull every trick in the book to spit-shine the turds, and the fact of the matter is pricing is how you do that. All is definitely not fine in Radeon-land these days.

Inflammatory rhetoric aside, you have to admit he saw that argument coming from a mile away.
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Well you've just played right into Kyle's hands:
Inflammatory rhetoric aside, you have to admit he saw that argument coming from a mile away.

By that logic you could say that about any consumer products that are in different price categories. Price is normally an indicator for performance unless it's AMD because they just suck a$$.
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