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Looks ok to me, but the guys in the 980 owners thread would probably be a bit more helpful.
Helpfull with disproving the ASIC theory? We had this discussion on few other threads , there is no actual prove ASICs numbers mean better or worse GPU , atleast we couldnt find it wink.gif
Some 980Ti guys with 78 ASIC couldn't get over 1418MHz .
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Helpfull with disproving the ASIC theory? We had this discussion on few other threads , there is no actual prove ASICs numbers mean better or worse GPU , atleast we couldnt find it wink.gif
Some 980Ti guys with 78 ASIC couldn't get over 1418MHz .

The 980 and 980TI are different cores, for starters. The GM204s overclock quite a bit higher. And 1580 on a GM204 isn't high....not even close. Pretty average, really.

When you start looking at how well a card will overclock, there are SEVERAL factors you need to take into consideration, especially with Maxwell and Pascal. First and foremost, ambient temp and core temp. Then overall build quality of the GPU. The skill of the person trying to overclock it. Power delivery....the list goes on and on and on. SO, while other things do play a role in how well a card will overclock, the ASIC quality of the core is a very good indicator of just how well a GPU will overclock. Especially since Maxwell....and as the processes continue to get smaller, it'll play an even larger role, because adding more voltage to the small process GPUs is becoming more and more difficult without some really extreme cooling.

Go to the Kingpin Forums and ask him for help overclocking a classy / KPE. The first thing you get asked is what the ASIC is. Why? Because they all know, as well as most of us do, that ASIC matters...especially with Maxwell and more than likely, Pascal... Time will tell.
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Looks ok to me, but the guys in the 980 owners thread would probably be a bit more helpful.
Helpfull with disproving the ASIC theory? We had this discussion on few other threads , there is no actual prove ASICs numbers mean better or worse GPU , atleast we couldnt find it wink.gif
Some 980Ti guys with 78 ASIC couldn't get over 1418MHz .
ASIC is an indicator. For instance let's say your card had a higher ASIC score. Does that always mean you will be able to click it higher with an unlocked bios? No it doesn't as you have noticed. Was is certain is that your card could achieve the same clock speed but at a reduced voltage if it had a higher ASIC. That much is fact. There are many variables at play with graphics card. Asic is just a single indicator but does have its relevance to many here.


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My 290X had lower ASIC than either of the GPUs on my 295X2 and the 290X overclocked better. ASIC to me isn't an end all be all indicator of overclockabilty. But I have never been a physical volt modding overclocker so I may be wrong with extreme overclocking.
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My 290X had lower ASIC than either of the GPUs on my 295X2 and the 290X overclocked better. ASIC to me isn't an end all be all indicator of overclockabilty. But I have never been a physical volt modding overclocker so I may be wrong with extreme overclocking.

The Hawaii architecture was all together different and much harder to use ASIC as an indicator. They were more along the lines of Kepler, in some ways. Where the lower ASIC cards were pretty good under water, because they could take the extra voltage. I had a 290X that would run Firestrike all day long at 1310 / 1820, and gave me some GREAT runs for scores at 1333 / 1862. It was a 74% asic GPU.
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Ok is GPUZ calculating ASIC correctly? How did they get these numbers? How did they calibrate my card and my motherboard sensors to read it correctly. "Checks for a cal sticker on case."


ASIC means nothing. Without calibrating it there is a huge huge margin for error thus making ASIC mean nothing. Anyone who has worked with electronics knows just because software will say something does not mean its correct. I work with highspeed fiber optic recovers. 100+ Ghz stuff. The data we get means nothing until we load a correction factor. And even then. We change a fiber patch cord it throws off everything.

The only people who can give us a valid ASIC reading is Nvidia. I could write a program that reads it at over 9000 but it does not mean your gpu is going to go super saiyan. Anyone who seems to think that whatever GPUZ says the ASIC is an accurate reading has a very crude understanding of electronics.
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The Hawaii architecture was all together different and much harder to use ASIC as an indicator. They were more along the lines of Kepler, in some ways. Where the lower ASIC cards were pretty good under water, because they could take the extra voltage. I had a 290X that would run Firestrike all day long at 1310 / 1820, and gave me some GREAT runs for scores at 1333 / 1862. It was a 74% asic GPU.

Yup, both cards were under water with EK blocks. Still have them both, will be selling em soon. The ASIC on the 290X was 69% and the ASIC on the 295X2 was 81% and 84%
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The 980 and 980TI are different cores, for starters. The GM204s overclock quite a bit higher. And 1580 on a GM204 isn't high....not even close. Pretty average, really.

When you start looking at how well a card will overclock, there are SEVERAL factors you need to take into consideration, especially with Maxwell and Pascal. First and foremost, ambient temp and core temp. Then overall build quality of the GPU. The skill of the person trying to overclock it. Power delivery....the list goes on and on and on. SO, while other things do play a role in how well a card will overclock, the ASIC quality of the core is a very good indicator of just how well a GPU will overclock. Especially since Maxwell....and as the processes continue to get smaller, it'll play an even larger role, because adding more voltage to the small process GPUs is becoming more and more difficult without some really extreme cooling.

Go to the Kingpin Forums and ask him for help overclocking a classy / KPE. The first thing you get asked is what the ASIC is. Why? Because they all know, as well as most of us do, that ASIC matters...especially with Maxwell and more than likely, Pascal... Time will tell.
My first question was exacly that How does ASIC effect gamers who overclock , not Entering a World Wide competition. I just don't see why would one overpay for GPU with high ASIC or let himself into believing it's a better card. Also don't see what Chips Model has to do with this matter if you say High is better than High should be better for every Chip. I'm dropping this.Hopefully some will look into this before chasing high ASIC card.
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Ok is GPUZ calculating ASIC correctly? How did they get these numbers? How did they calibrate my card and my motherboard sensors to read it correctly. "Checks for a cal sticker on case."


ASIC means nothing. Without calibrating it there is a huge huge margin for error thus making ASIC mean nothing. Anyone who has worked with electronics knows just because software will say something does not mean its correct. I work with highspeed fiber optic recovers. 100+ Ghz stuff. The data we get means nothing until we load a correction factor. And even then. We change a fiber patch cord it throws off everything.

The only people who can give us a valid ASIC reading is Nvidia. I could write a program that reads it at over 9000 but it does not mean your gpu is going to go super saiyan. Anyone who seems to think that whatever GPUZ says the ASIC is an accurate reading has a very crude understanding of electronics.

lol...now that's funny
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My first question was exacly that How does ASIC effect gamers who overclock , not Entering a World Wide competition. I just don't see why would one overpay for GPU with high ASIC or let himself into believing it's a better card. Also don't see what Chips Model has to do with this matter if you say High is better than High should be better for every Chip. I'm dropping this.Hopefully some will look into this before chasing high ASIC card.

And I answered that question....for gamers, it really doesn't matter. Scroll back a ways.... For overclockers and people that run benchmarks, it matters. lol
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