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Is this true that FE cards are clocking better/higher(in general) than AIB cards ?
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Is this true that FE cards are clocking better/higher(in general) than AIB cards ?


Yeah.




Update on the bios. Ran valley 100% stable 2 times 2,180 now I can only run it at 2,164. But I can play games at 2,190 with that bios. Did a big 40man BG with a ton of aoe and it ran fine.



Also I'm sure it has to do with my windows installed. That is from 3 PC's ago lol. I'll do a fresh install but this ssd has had the same windows on it since I had my i7 4700k. Then my i5 4690k and now this system lol


Bios runs great . water cooled no throttling. I did see a slight increase in max stable clocks and a good increase in game stable clocks testing in a 40man BG in wow at 4k with everything maxed msaa x8 and render at 200%. The 1.093v max bios limit is pretty crappy tho. I would of loved for it to be 1.1 or 1.15v
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Suddenly my card goes from 1950mhz to stable 2050mhz @ 1.093v without me doing anything?! biggrin.gif

Whats going on here, the driver crashes at 2076mhz tho.

Is there any news on a Bios tweaker? I want to try higher voltages
Funny you say that, my card appears to have become magically stable at 2139MHz from 2126MHz despite not being stable before. Haven't tested it fully but seems good so far. Perhaps it's the new driver?
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Is this true that FE cards are clocking better/higher(in general) than AIB cards ?

On water yes.
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Ok so after using that water force bios here is what I came up with.


Unlike the strix xoc bios overclocking improves results. Its a little behind what I can score and the frames I get with ref based bios but not much. I think my dirty windows install is giving me issues its an old install that's been used on a few PC's. The water force bios ran nice and stable and I did have an improvement when it came to the max over clock. However the fe and seahawk bios preform better. But so far the water force will give the highest clocks that improve performance unlike the strix ocx that when I tested from 2ghz to 2.2 there was 0 fps increase. To be exact 0.000


But the seahawk running at 2,151 is slightly faster then the water force running at 2,164


Again this is what I seen in my testing. It could work better or worse for you.



So i seen a 2.9% drop in average fps 1.2% drop at max. 6.55% max. Again not as bad as the strix ocx bios that thing is trash and had an average of 6% drop.



Later today i'll do more testing on a fresh install and do some run averages. But i went back to the seahawk bios but i still haven't taken the waterforce off the plate yet and i plan on going back to it and spending some time with it to see if there is a chance it will be my daily driver.

Waterforce left. Seahawk right.


Edited by uberwootage - 7/16/16 at 7:45am
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Ok so after using that water force bios here is what I came up with.


Unlike the strix xoc bios overclocking improves results. Its a little behind what I can score and the frames I get with ref based bios but not much. I think my dirty windows install is giving me issues its an old install that's been used on a few PC's. The water force bios ran nice and stable and I did have an improvement when it came to the max over clock. However the fe and seahawk bios preform better. But so far the water force will give the highest clocks that improve performance unlike the strix ocx that when I tested from 2ghz to 2.2 there was 0 fps increase. To be exact 0.000


But the seahawk running at 2,151 is slightly faster then the water force running at 2,164


Again this is what I seen in my testing. It could work better or worse for you.
So what do u do actually ?
Buy an FE card, use strix OC bios(despite the fact it uses custom pcb ?? ) = profit ?
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Originally Posted by uberwootage View Post

Ok so after using that water force bios here is what I came up with.


Unlike the strix xoc bios overclocking improves results. Its a little behind what I can score and the frames I get with ref based bios but not much. I think my dirty windows install is giving me issues its an old install that's been used on a few PC's. The water force bios ran nice and stable and I did have an improvement when it came to the max over clock. However the fe and seahawk bios preform better. But so far the water force will give the highest clocks that improve performance unlike the strix ocx that when I tested from 2ghz to 2.2 there was 0 fps increase. To be exact 0.000


But the seahawk running at 2,151 is slightly faster then the water force running at 2,164


Again this is what I seen in my testing. It could work better or worse for you.
Sea Hawk EK X has a custom PCB and Sea Hawk X has reference, right? Which one are you talking about? If you're talking about the Sea Hawk X with reference PCB, what difference is there to the Founders Edition BIOS?
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So what do u do actually ?
Buy an FE card, use strix OC bios(despite the fact it uses custom pcb ?? ) = profit ?

This is what you do.

Buy a FE. Flash the Strix ocx bios = 6% drop in your frame rates and overclocking provides absolutely no increase in performance. Only bios that does this. Every other bios shows some gain from overclocking. The OCX shown me absolutely zero.


My testing with a 5 run average.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1601288/official-nvidia-gtx-1080-owners-club/2540#post_25335325


I have a Strrix GTX 1080 sitting here. And no matter what my FE always clocks higher then it even with non FE bios and even if i use the same bios on the strix. Jaystwocents even said his FE's clock higher then all the cards he tested. And that was in his zotac amp extreme review. The thing is the FE's need to be watercooled.


From everything i seen. FE's are binned. At first i thought it was just a better bios but after getting this Strix and flashing it with a FE bios i saw no improvement in clocks. So this strix will be going to a friend of mine. I managed to pick one up at microcenter and he wanted one so i told him i would get it if i can do some testing on it.


As of now. Stock cards i'll take anything but a FE. The heatsinks on the FE's are nice and work OK if you turn the fan up. I found 65% where it sits i cant hear it but it cools pretty well. But still cant compare to aftermarket heatsinks. If you plan on overclocking and not going water then go with a card with a better cooler. But if you can water cool it. "Pick up the GTX 980ti evga hybrid when they go for $60 on amazon. Remove the cover over the heatsink. Remove the heatsink and put the water block on. You wont go over 50c even overclocked and in a hot room. You really do not need the shroud thats in the 1080 hybrid kits so just save some money pick the 980ti kit for $60. Just keep the rear fan shroud on the stock heatsink do not do what gamernexus did. It will install just like it would normally tubes out the side and all the stock heatsink parts other then the heatsink and heatsink cover fit without any mods.


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Sea Hawk EK X has a custom PCB and Sea Hawk X has reference, right? Which one are you talking about? If you're talking about the Sea Hawk X with reference PCB, what difference is there to the Founders Edition BIOS?

Just the Seahawk X. I got a EK bios but i just have not tested it yet. I dont see there being any improvement over the other. And even then from what i see the seahawk x bios is only slightly better by a hair. Outside of benchmarks you wont see a gain over a fe bios. I'll test it when i get a chance.
Edited by uberwootage - 7/16/16 at 8:04am
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Originally Posted by uberwootage View Post

This is what you do.

Buy a FE. Flash the Strix ocx bios = 6% drop in your frame rates and overclocking provides absolutely no increase in performance. Only bios that does this. Every other bios shows some gain from overclocking. The OCX shown me absolutely zero.


My testing with a 5 run average.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1601288/official-nvidia-gtx-1080-owners-club/2540#post_25335325


I have a Strrix GTX 1080 sitting here. And no matter what my FE always clocks higher then it even with non FE bios and even if i use the same bios on the strix. Jaystwocents even said his FE's clock higher then all the cards he tested. And that was in his zotac amp extreme review. The thing is the FE's need to be watercooled.


From everything i seen. FE's are binned. At first i thought it was just a better bios but after getting this Strix and flashing it with a FE bios i saw no improvement in clocks. So this strix will be going to a friend of mine. I managed to pick one up at microcenter and he wanted one so i told him i would get it if i can do some testing on it.


As of now. Stock cards i'll take anything but a FE. The heatsinks on the FE's are nice and work OK if you turn the fan up. I found 65% where it sits i cant hear it but it cools pretty well. But still cant compare to aftermarket heatsinks. If you plan on overclocking and not going water then go with a card with a better cooler. But if you can water cool it. "Pick up the GTX 980ti evga hybrid when they go for $60 on amazon. Remove the cover over the heatsink. Remove the heatsink and put the water block on. You wont go over 50c even overclocked and in a hot room. You really do not need the shroud thats in the 1080 hybrid kits so just save some money pick the 980ti kit for $60. Just keep the rear fan shroud on the stock heatsink do not do what gamernexus did. It will install just like it would normally tubes out the side and all the stock heatsink parts other then the heatsink and heatsink cover fit without any mods.
Just the Seahawk X. I got a EK bios but i just have not tested it yet. I dont see there being any improvement over the other. And even then from what i see the seahawk x bios is only slightly better by a hair. Outside of benchmarks you wont see a gain over a fe bios. I'll test it when i get a chance.

Thanks and + rep.

I will be watercooling the card as I'm watercooling already.
So .....should I just pick ANY FE card or does it have to be Nvidia FE ?
Will this one be fine ?
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/palit-geforce-gtx-1080-founders-edition-8192mb-gddr5x-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-036-pl.html
Thanks
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Picked up a GTX 1080 Seahawk EK X today from Memoryexpress:



Can't wait to get it installed, which will be later on today or tonight.thumbsupsmiley.png
NIce choice... that's like an ASUS Poseidon? Or water only?
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i want to lock the clocks... I'm sick of this voltage and clock adjustment crap... I'm not worried about saving power when I play I want it locked...I miss old school cards set a clock and that's what it runs at no matter what, if it's not stable it artifacts or locks up and that's it...
download the new EVGA PrecisionX, it will ask you for your card's SN#. Enable K-boost and the card runs at P0 always. Or,m use NV INspector to set all P-states to the max stock boost, then adjust clocks for P0. Save as a NVI profile.
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