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i can confirm that you can flash any bios to any card flashed EVGA 1080 FTW with Gigabyte 1080 G1 Gaming bios and viseversa
Also on Zotac 1080 AMP Extreme and Gigabyte 1080 G1 Gaming had flash almost every bios in techpowerup database they all work no problem
i used Zotac FireStorm Tool to flash all bios files
if anyone has Gigabyte 1080 Founders Edition bios plase upload it
Thanks
post #402 of 600
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Originally Posted by GanGstaOne View Post

i can confirm that you can flash any bios to any card flashed EVGA 1080 FTW with Gigabyte 1080 G1 Gaming bios and viseversa
Also on Zotac 1080 AMP Extreme and Gigabyte 1080 G1 Gaming had flash almost every bios in techpowerup database they all work no problem
i used Zotac FireStorm Tool to flash all bios files
if anyone has Gigabyte 1080 Founders Edition bios plase upload it
Thanks

And after all that flashing, did any of those BIOS made any difference in your max overclock?
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Originally Posted by GanGstaOne View Post

i can confirm that you can flash any bios to any card flashed EVGA 1080 FTW with Gigabyte 1080 G1 Gaming bios and viseversa
Also on Zotac 1080 AMP Extreme and Gigabyte 1080 G1 Gaming had flash almost every bios in techpowerup database they all work no problem
i used Zotac FireStorm Tool to flash all bios files
if anyone has Gigabyte 1080 Founders Edition bios plase upload it
Thanks

so are you saying you flashed the amp extreme bios on your evga ftw?
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The FTW seems to let me use 130%, at least in afterburner and inprecision-X, I am honestly not used to software OC, I have mostly used direct bios editing as my preferred method so I am not as educated on the software OC interfaces.

I wanted to use your post as a lead into this blurb.. (thx)

I'm going to describe how the BIOS values relate to our power % slider in our favorite overclocking app (your last chance to bail!) tongue.gif


If you are not yet aware of how these mechanics relate to what you see as Power % this may help. Our overclock APP's "Power % slider" percentage value itself is NOT related to the maximum power the GPU is permitted to draw in WATTS (it does allow the maximum power configured in the BIOS to be used).

In other words if BIOS #1 allows "115% max power" when the slider is maxxed all the way and BIOS #2 allows "135% max power" it absolutely does NOT mean that BIOS #2 has 20% additional power (it means it has a 20% additional range of adjustment between default and maximum power).

I know this might not make sense at first but here's how it works. In short, if both BIOS' had the Power % slider maxxed they would both be using whatever MAXIMUM POWER value (numeric in WATTS not percentages) was defined in the BIOS. The Power % slider is simply the difference between default and max power in the BIOS (which could be any amount of wattage).

We don't have a pascal editor but we know power is power (there will still be min/default and max power values in BIOS always) so I will use the Maxwell BIOS tweaker to show how the Power % slider that everyone sees in your favorite overclocking application is actually defined and how the percentage means nothing and the actual NUMERICAL VALUE means everything.


Dont read this! You dont want to hear it!! (Click to show)
You cannot see the actual numerical value IN WATTS without looking in the BIOS.



In this example the BLUE circled area is the "MIN/DEFAULT/MAX" power allowed for the entire GPU (sum of all power sources available). We can see that in this example the maximum percentage is 150%. That value is what defines your POWER % slider in any overclocking app.

In this example #1 the difference between the default power value and the maximum power value is a 150% difference. THE MAXIMUM POWER IS 475 WATTS. Example #1 (Click to show)


In this example #2 we've still got 150% defined for the power % slider however as we can see the total power is now only 250W... this is exactly why the percentage has no direct relation to the true maximum power values defined. Example #2 (Click to show)


In this example #3 we've got the most power of all three examples yet the Power % slider will max at 110%.. as you can see, the percentage means nothing really.. Example #3 (Click to show)



In summary, IMHO you all really need to either:
(1) Measure the maximum power draw (with a test you know for sure would call for it) with a PHYSICAL WALL METER (you plug it inline with your PSU and it measures current, MIN/MAX/AVG etc..

(2) Read the MAXIMUM POWER value defined in the BIOS.

If you folks really want to get into cross flashing then we need to start MEASURING POWER or READING MAX POWER DEFINED IN THE BIOS which will allow us to keep track of which BIOS' have a maximum overall power defined as compared to others.

We can do it here I don't mind but we need some structure. wink.gif
post #405 of 600

Great post Laithan :thumbsups

 

I found in testing my 1070

BIOS TDP watts max power slider
Founders 150 164 112%
EVGA SC 170 167 112%
ASUS Strix 170 197 120%
Palit GameRock Premium 170 195 114%

 

TDP from manufacturers website. Power measurements are from HWinfo

 

PS I do have a watt meter, will have to do some testing when time is available


Edited by stoker - 8/1/16 at 5:10pm
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Great post Laithan thumbsupsmiley.png

I found in testing my 1070
BIOS TDP watts max power slider
Founders 150 164 112%
EVGA SC 170 167 112%
ASUS Strix 170 197 120%
Palit GameRock Premium 170 195 114%


TDP from manufacturers website. Power measurements are from HWinfo

PS I do have a watt meter, will have to do some testing when time is available

Asus Strix will work on Gigabyte G1? Also you got results for G1 BIOS?
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Asus Strix will work on Gigabyte G1? Also you got results for G1 BIOS?

 

I see the G1 has a single 8 pin, so i will add to the test.

 

As for the Strix bios working yes DStealth has used it

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I see the G1 has a single 8 pin, so i will add to the test.

As for the Strix bios working yes DStealth hasused it

So cross-flash will only work if the power connector config is the same? What happens if say MSI BIOS is flashed onto reference, or reference onto MSI? Or has no one risked it yet?

Also DStealth is saying he isn't seeing much improvement with any BIOS and he has issues with fan speed (which I don't care about, waterblocks biggrin.gif). But can you confirm/deny this? Are you seeing improvement in clock speed or 3DMark score with higher PT BIOS?
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Originally Posted by stoker View Post

Great post Laithan thumbsupsmiley.png

I found in testing my 1070
BIOS TDP watts max power slider
Founders 150 164 112%
EVGA SC 170 167 112%
ASUS Strix 170 197 120%
Palit GameRock Premium 170 195 114%


TDP from manufacturers website. Power measurements are from HWinfo

PS I do have a watt meter, will have to do some testing when time is available

The Gigabyte Xtreme Gaming 1070, during FireStrike hits 215Watts for me. 112% Power Limit. Dunno about the TDP lol. I'm a scrub when it comes down to this stuff. Anyway, this was with HWinfo.

EDIT: APparently the TDP is 150. Don't quote me on it though.
Edited by Vaesauce - 8/1/16 at 7:07pm
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Are you seeing improvement in clock speed or 3DMark score with higher PT BIOS?

 

Yes not much ~50mhz extra but alot less TDP throttling. Now I can hold 2100 until temp exceeds 49 degrees C.

 

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Originally Posted by iluvkfc View Post

So cross-flash will only work if the power connector config is the same?

 

Not 100% sure though i rather only risk flashing 8pin - 8pin only.

 

My card is essentially reference pcb with difference cooler

 

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The Gigabyte Xtreme Gaming 1070, during FireStrike hits 215Watts for me. 112% Power Limit. Dunno about the TDP lol. I'm a scrub when it comes down to this stuff. Anyway, this was with HWinfo.

 

Nice to know, have a link for the bios?

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