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so just drop the "hobby" then, noones forcing you
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Yep fake sadly.. It would be stupid to announce the 1080ti anyway.. Wasn't there a GP100 chip? Would that maybe find it's way into a 1080ti possibly with HBM2? Would be awesome.
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Yep fake sadly.. It would be stupid to announce the 1080ti anyway.. Wasn't there a GP100 chip? Would that maybe find it's way into a 1080ti possibly with HBM2? Would be awesome.

At this point in time ppl are debating if NV is trying to separate or divide the market into 2 segment, the gaming and the workstation professional.

If GP102 exist, den it will most likely cater for pure gaming performance just like GM200. Currently we have no news whether GP100 can be converted to a gaming chip since there is no indication of ROPs. In that case, they probably have created a pure professional chip, and it will be their first time.

The die size of GP100 is too big, and given the size, they have to cut down drastically on the clock speed to meet the yield standard. With just 50% more shader for FP32, its going to be a issue to go anything above the realistic 40% bump due to increased cores performance alone. With lower speed its going to be just 25-30% performance uplift, abit too inefficient for a chip this big.

If Nvidia is sticking to GP100 for gaming as well, den not only it will deliver lustre performance next year, AMD could easily crush them if they came out with a chip that is close to the size of GP100 (>550mm sq). Think of it something like Titan Z fiasco, overly expensive and yet performance is not there.

Therefore GP102 make sense since the performance per area in gaming are much much better than GP100, if they didnt include the DP unit in. We are talking about something +50% performance per unit area compared to GP100. Beside being faster, it is smaller as well, there is lesser yield concern, cheaper to make, and can be clocked much better with less heat problem to deal with (P100 is already running at 300W at an extremely low clock of 1.48GHz, and is not even full blown chip). GP100 is just too hot and inefficient to be made for gaming purpose, and Nvidia is definitely not going to release any AiO reference card.


TLDR: GP102 might be true to cater just for gaming purpose. No DP unit. Though it will be more expensive than GM200 I reckon, a full blown might be anything between 1-1.5K USD?
Edited by guttheslayer - 5/29/16 at 9:16am
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At this point in time ppl are debating if NV is trying to separate or divide the market into 2 segment, the gaming and the workstation professional.

If GP102 exist, den it will most likely cater for pure gaming performance just like GM200. Currently we have no news whether GP100 can be converted to a gaming chip since there is no indication of ROPs. In that case, for the first time in NV history, they have created a pure professional chip.

The die size of GP100 is too big, and given the size, they have to cut down drastically on the clock speed to meet the yield standard. With just 50% more shader for FP32, its going to be a issue to go anything above the realistic 40% bump due to increased cores performance alone. With lower speed its going to be just 25-30% performance uplift, abit too inefficient for a chip this big.

If Nvidia is sticking to GP100 for gaming as well, den not only it will deliver lustre performance next year, AMD could easily crush them if they came out with a chip that is close to the size of GP100 (>550mm sq).

Therefore GP102 make sense since the performance per area in gaming are much much better than GP100, if they didnt include the DP unit in. We are talking about something +50% performance per unit area compared to GP100. Beside being faster, it is smaller as well, there is lesser yield concern, cheaper to make, and can be clocked much better with less heat problem to deal with (P100 is already running at 300W at an extremely low clock of 1.48GHz, and is not even full blown chip). GP100 is just too hot and inefficient to be made for gaming purpose, and Nvidia is definitely not going to release any AiO reference card.


TLDR: GP102 might be true to cater just for gaming purpose. No DP unit. Though it will be more expensive than GM200 I reckon, a full blown might be anything between 1-1.5K USD?

With the amount of VRAM in modern mainstream cards, I feel that workstation cards aren't going to be necessary anymore except for the big professional studios. I mean, the 1080 is going to have 8 GB VRAM and it's going to have enough display ports to be able to accommodate the majority of people's display needs. Plus there are solutions to get you more display ports if necessary, like daisy chaining. I bet most professionals won't need specialized GPUs anymore, they'll be able to get by with mainstream cards. The whole appeal of workstation cards used to be the high amount of VRAM and while 8 GB is not enough for some things, I think for the majority of professionals it's fine.

Do you guys agree or do I have this wrong?
Edited by Thready - 5/29/16 at 9:19am
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With the amount of VRAM in modern mainstream cards, I feel that workstation cards aren't going to be necessary anymore except for the big professional studios. I mean, the 1080 is going to have 8 GB VRAM and it's going to have enough display ports to be able to accommodate the majority of people's display needs. Plus there are solutions to get you more display ports if necessary, like daisy chaining. I bet most professionals won't need specialized GPUs anymore, they'll be able to get by with mainstream cards.

Do you guys agree or do I have this wrong?

There is more to Quadros than amount of VRAM and even display ports.
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With the amount of VRAM in modern mainstream cards, I feel that workstation cards aren't going to be necessary anymore except for the big professional studios. I mean, the 1080 is going to have 8 GB VRAM and it's going to have enough display ports to be able to accommodate the majority of people's display needs. Plus there are solutions to get you more display ports if necessary, like daisy chaining. I bet most professionals won't need specialized GPUs anymore, they'll be able to get by with mainstream cards.

Do you guys agree or do I have this wrong?

Professional community need double precision performance, DP unit.

The GP100 has tons of DP units, which explain why the chip is so big. 610mm sq. In fact the best ideal configuration for computational chip is having a floating pt ratio of 1:2:4 for 64/32/16 bits which the GP100 managed to pull out.
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There is more to Quadros than amount of VRAM and even display ports.

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Professional community need double precision performance, DP unit.

The GP100 has tons of DP units, which explain why the chip is so big. 610mm sq.

Of course. I'm not a professional but I do know a bit about it, probably not as much as you guys. But it seems to me like the workstation market is shrinking because people are able to get many of their needs met with mainstream consumer cards now. I could very well be wrong but that's just what I hear.

I don't mean the big time professional jobs. I mean small business sort of stuff.
Edited by Thready - 5/29/16 at 9:24am
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My question is HBM2 or GDDR5X... excuse me G5X?
    
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Professional community need double precision performance, DP unit.

The GP100 has tons of DP units, which explain why the chip is so big. 610mm sq. In fact the best ideal configuration for computational chip is having a floating pt ratio of 1:2:4 for 64/32/16 bits which the GP100 managed to pull out.

We might get a titan GP100 with DP as their prosumer card.
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We might get a titan GP100 with DP as their prosumer card.

It might not have rop for gaming...
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