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A little disappointed, AIB cards will be marginally better. I guess in terms of prices and the market now it's an okay deal but boy do I wish this wasn't such a heavily cut x70 card in a steep price bracket.
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The only fact that I see is you accepting a $50 price increase without any push back rolleyes.gif

So you want me to protest? How about we all go picket Nvidia's corporate HQ about how we detest them increasing the MSRP $50 compared to last year's model. Forget about the fact that cars have gotten much more expensive in previous years... or houses... or food... did you "protest" these items? They are all far more important than a graphics card, agreed?

How about we approach this differently.

AMD doesn't have a comparable product right now. I want AMD to have a comparable product, but they don't. Competition is what drives this or any industry forward, and without it, Nvidia has free reign to dictate prices. I have a feeling the market will continue this trend as well until the consumers stop buying their products.

Will I buy I GTX 1070? Possibly. Why? Because I can afford it. I'm not really seeing the issue, honestly. Good thing you can vote with your wallet (as you should). No one is forcing you to buy the product.
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Did the 980 drop to 200 yet?
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Sweet. Will be upgrading to this in the near future. Fell exactly where I suspected.
   
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250$ for 980Ti....
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Pistol View Post

So you want me to protest? How about we all go picket Nvidia's corporate HQ about how we detest them increasing the MSRP $50 compared to last year's model.

Protest? Hardly. You can vote with your wallet. But more importantly, you can cease and desist in promoting said product as a "deal."

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Forget about the fact that cars have gotten much more expensive in previous years... or houses... or food... did you "protest" these items? They are all far more important than a graphics card, agreed?

Most consumer goods increase in price in line with inflation... Inflation, that hidden tax that we like to ignore, exponentially increases prices over time thanks to compounding.



Inflation adjusted, many products decrease over time. One such example:



Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Pistol View Post

How about we approach this differently.

AMD doesn't have a comparable product right now. I want AMD to have a comparable product, but they don't. Competition is what drives this or any industry forward, and without it, Nvidia has free reign to dictate prices. I have a feeling the market will continue this trend as well until the consumers stop buying their products.

Something that we can agree upon. Monopolies and duopolies flourish in an oligarchy, the US is no exception.
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Will I buy I GTX 1070? Possibly. Why? Because I can afford it. I'm not really seeing the issue, honestly. Good thing you can vote with your wallet (as you should). No one is forcing you to buy the product.

If you can afford it, then you can also afford a used or clearance GTX 980 Ti. Choice is yours thumb.gif

I'll hold off on spending BIG money on a BIG chip biggrin.gif

Until then, I will, ironically, be dumping money into even more costly hobbies tongue.gif
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Protest? Hardly. You can vote with your wallet. But more importantly, you can cease and desist in promoting said product as a "deal."

Except it IS a deal when you compare it to the previous generation GTX 980 Ti, which cost around $250 more at launch, uses way more power, has less VRAM, and less technology for VR.

It's all about the perspective you hold when something is released. The GTX 970 was a deal compared to the GTX 780. The 670 was a deal compared to the GTX 580... See the pattern?

Now if you look for a deal when comparing pricing alone from one generation to the next without taking into account feature content, you're going to be disappointed every time a new product is released.
Edited by Mad Pistol - 5/29/16 at 9:40pm
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Except it IS a deal when you compare it to the previous generation GTX 980 Ti, which cost around $250 more at launch, uses way more power, has less VRAM, and less technology for VR.

It's all about the perspective you hold when something is released. The GTX 970 was a deal compared to the GTX 780. The 670 was a deal compared to the GTX 580... See the pattern?

Why are we comparing it to a 980 Ti? Because Nvidia decided to stagger their product releases since they introduced Kepler? Instead of having a new flagship with performance increases of 40-50% higher than previous generation at the same price, we now get 10-20% gains over existing high end products twice each generation.

Your argument is akin to pricing a newly released Camero the same or higher than a Corvette because the Corvette release was staggered. Once Chevy decides to release the new Corvette 6-12 months after the release of the Camero, Chevy will then reduce the price of the Camero back to its actual market segment. It's an asinine argument and one that only seems to be echoed by CPU and GPU enthusiasts. I suppose too many of you are accustomed to such practices now and, therefore, such anti-consumer practices go unnoticed or rationalized.
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1070oc vs 980tioc let's see

980ti @ 1500mhz = 2816x2x1500= 8.44 teraflops

1070 @ 2200mhz = 1920x2x2200= 8.44 teraflops

pascal has 2-4% less ipc, and 1070 has less bandwidth and rops, so unless 980ti doesn't get any performance boost via future drivers and 1070 does. oc vs oc 1070 can't beat 980ti even if it overclocks to 2200mhz which i doubt. redface.gif

980tioc > 1070oc
cool except plenty of 980Tis cannot hit a stable 24/7 1500

and you forgot that 1070 has 2GB more VRAM

oh and its cheaper new vs new
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also 1070 has DP 1.3/1.4 + HDMI 2.0 and 980Ti doesnt

thats not insiginificant actually
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