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Thanks for the reply guys, so then is the founders edition regarded as being superior to the ASUS turbo and MSI aero in terms of acoustics/thermals?

If I was looking for a blower style I would definitely go with the founders edition. The only real advantage the Asus has is 2 HDMI ports, and that's only an advantage if you have multiple HDMI screens.
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Okay guys, now is decision time and i desperately need your help,

I have been closely monitoring and debating the Samsung vs. Micron GDDR5 memory issue for about two weeks now,

The conclusion is that, Nvidia designed the GTX 1070, its BIOS and Drivers based on Original specifications of Samsung GDDR5 8Ghz modules, the Samsung ICs appear to need low voltage/power to remain stable and can handle voltage fluctuations flawlessly.

Micron GDDR5 on the other hand, being a lower quality chip, is power hungry which needs constantly high voltage pumping to remain stable, so it can not operate at the same voltage/power envelope that was originally developed for Samsung GDDR5 in BIOS and Drivers.

The assumption was initially made that there is a BIOS/Driver bug preventing Micron GDDR5 from running stably, but what it turned out to be, because of the poor power properties of these Micron chips, they can not operate at the original voltage/power specifications and thus a fix was to pump as much power into them with the available tools, meaning voltage-locking and "prefer max performance" which are both not part of the standard specification.

The GTX 1070 has been significantly downgraded as the initial memory OC range showing in all early reviews (from 9000Mhz to 9750Mhz) is no longer valid and the new range is now 7600Mhz to 8800Mhz, meaning that the lowest Samsung OC is higher than the potential highest Micron OC.


Now i need to know what to do with my Micron GTX 1070 and i need your suggestions:

1- Return the damn thing, get my money back and wait for Nvidia to start making card with Samsung memory again if ever.

2- Return the damn thing and get a Founder's Edition GTX 1070 with Samsung memory and live with the reference cooling and noise.

3- Return the thing and get my money back and wait for AMD's VEGA.

3- Return the thing and wait for Volta!

4- Get a GTX 1060 or an RX 480 instead.

5- Suck it and live with the new downgraded performance!

6- get a PS4 Pro! LOL smile.gif


Please advise ...

Do what I did, get a FE and water cool it. thumb.gif
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If I was looking for a blower style I would definitely go with the founders edition.

I am not looking for a blower style, but i don't want to pay $640 for a card with that garbage Micron GDDR5 memory.

This is why i need your help about my options and alternatives smile.gif
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Do what I did, get a FE and water cool it. thumb.gif

I don't have a custom loop, wouldn't buying a reference card and then buying a water block for it gets me into the GTX 1080 range anyways? and wouldn't changing the stock cooler void my warranty? i just don't feel very good about that option. please give more insight ..
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I am not looking for a blower style, but i don't want to pay $640 for a card with that garbage Micron GDDR5 memory.

This is why i need your help about my options and alternatives smile.gif
U think the extra few hundred mhz you get out of Samsung chips is going to make a valuable difference ?. I'm on a gigabyte x2 oc with Samsung memory. Just checked. Not sure if that helps or not lol.
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U think the extra few hundred mhz you get out of Samsung chips is going to make a valuable difference ?. I'm on a gigabyte x2 oc with Samsung memory. Just checked. Not sure if that helps or not lol.

No man, it is not about max OC potential, that is secondary, it is about system stability and quality, these garbage Micron chips lock-up the system, produce artifacts on the desktop and browser, crash with a BSOD, cause random artifacts in games, and cause the core to power-throttle because they are pretty power hungry.

It comes down to quality, i want a quality product for my money not some trash, i tested a GTX 1070 with Samsung memory for 2 weeks, and i used to push the hell out of that card, it never locked up or crashed the system, the worst it could do is "Display driver stopped responding and has recovered" until you lower the offset a little .. that is all, never seen any of the artifacts i am seeing with these Micron chips ...

Also in 2K and 4K the Samsung memory card was giving smoother frames, that Micron **** gets laggy as you increase the resolution, i just hate it!

So it is a matter of 1st Quality, and 2nd Performance ...
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No man, it is not about max OC potential, that is secondary, it is about system stability and quality, these garbage Micron chips lock-up the system, produce artifacts on the desktop and browser, crash with a BSOD, cause random artifacts in games, and cause the core to power-throttle because they are pretty power hungry.

It comes down to quality, i want a quality product for my money not some trash, i tested a GTX 1070 with Samsung memory for 2 weeks, and i used to push the hell out of that card, it never locked up or crashed the system, the worst it could do is "Display driver stopped responding and has recovered" until you lower the offset a little .. that is all, never seen any of the artifacts i am seeing with these Micron chips ...

Also in 2K and 4K the Samsung memory card was giving smoother frames, that Micron **** gets laggy as you increase the resolution, i just hate it!

So it is a matter of 1st Quality, and 2nd Performance ...
Is it not possible you just got a defective card and it's a coincidence that it has different memory. Why don't you try to rma the card first before jumping to conclusions.
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Is it not possible you just got a defective card and it's a coincidence that it has different memory. Why don't you try to rma the card first before jumping to conclusions.

I tried, they sent me an advance-RMA card again with the same Micron garbage and the same issues, the only difference is that the replacement coilwhines just to add insult to injury...

Look, i have been researching this, and testing hardware for over two weeks, i am not jumping to any conclusions, i arrived at that conclusion, slowly, systematically and after a lot of testing, researching and talking to everyone involved including Nvidia and my AIB ..

So lets move on to the next step, since now is decision time ... debating and researching time is over .. and i am running out of time for my return window ..

Please advise on options now ...
post #3709 of 9565
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Originally Posted by MyNewRig View Post

Okay guys, now is decision time and i desperately need your help,

I have been closely monitoring and debating the Samsung vs. Micron GDDR5 memory issue for about two weeks now,

The conclusion is that, Nvidia designed the GTX 1070, its BIOS and Drivers based on Original specifications of Samsung GDDR5 8Ghz modules, the Samsung ICs appear to need low voltage/power to remain stable and can handle voltage fluctuations flawlessly.

Micron GDDR5 on the other hand, being a lower quality chip, is power hungry which needs constantly high voltage pumping to remain stable, so it can not operate at the same voltage/power envelope that was originally developed for Samsung GDDR5 in BIOS and Drivers.

The assumption was initially made that there is a BIOS/Driver bug preventing Micron GDDR5 from running stably, but what it turned out to be, because of the poor power properties of these Micron chips, they can not operate at the original voltage/power specifications and thus a fix was to pump as much power into them with the available tools, meaning voltage-locking and "prefer max performance" which are both not part of the standard specification.

The GTX 1070 has been significantly downgraded as the initial memory OC range showing in all early reviews (from 9000Mhz to 9750Mhz) is no longer valid and the new range is now 7600Mhz to 8800Mhz, meaning that the lowest Samsung OC is higher than the potential highest Micron OC.


Now i need to know what to do with my Micron GTX 1070 and i need your suggestions:

1- Return the damn thing, get my money back and wait for Nvidia to start making card with Samsung memory again if ever.

2- Return the damn thing and get a Founder's Edition GTX 1070 with Samsung memory and live with the reference cooling and noise.

3- Return the thing and get my money back and wait for AMD's VEGA.

3- Return the thing and wait for Volta!

4- Get a GTX 1060 or an RX 480 instead.

5- Suck it and live with the new downgraded performance!

6- get a PS4 Pro! LOL smile.gif


Please advise ...


no 2.
i got Inno3d iChill x4 1070 which uses reference pcb(means Samsung memory) and the cooler is fantastic. Max temp after 20 loops of stress test in 3dmark was 62°C, in games it usually oscillates around mid 50s. fans don't spin until 50°C and theres an extra fan and heatsink for vrm.
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no 2.
i got Inno3d iChill x4 1070 which uses reference pcb(means Samsung memory) and the cooler is fantastic. Max temp after 20 loops of stress test in 3dmark was 62°C, in games it usually oscillates around mid 50s. fans don't spin until 50°C and theres an extra fan and heatsink for vrm.

Okay, that is a fantastic advice, my retailer who will do the exchange or replacement does not have that particular card in stock, EVGA's SC with ACX 3.0 uses the reference PCB as well, no? wouldn't that be the next best thing and would most probably come with Samsung? or did they also change to Micron on that card as well?
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