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Originally Posted by Waleh View Post

Ah okay. I play on a 144 hz monitor so I wanted to squeeze as many frames as I can get hence the upgrade to a 1070. Out of curiosity, how do you think frames will differ from your CPU at stock vs the 4.7 OC you got? In other words, is the OC giving you substantial real world performance? I have a tiny itx case with a small air cooler so I definitely can't clock that high.
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BF1 is a CPU heavy game, so his OC will give him a decent real world performance boost.
Still, you don't have to worry it should run just fine on your rig without OC the CPU.

I wouldn't be so sure. I don't know about BF1 being a CPU heavy game, didn't look it up, but if it is, 6600k could be a bit weak. My years old 4790 has a better single threaded score and multi threaded obviously since it has HT 8 cores, whereas 6600 isn't HT. New games usually benefit from multiple threads, they say some games can utilize even more threads than 8. Like i7-6850K, 6 cores / 12 threads...
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Here the video i was referencing to... Worth the look.








https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUOi1tlozG4

As you can see, the difference best manifests it's self at minimums. With 6600k the mins are substantially lower than with 6700k, with same frequency and with the exact same GPU. The draw-calls is something 4core CPU can't handle in tight situations. Here's where 8 threads come in handy.

If you look at the scenario: same generation CPUs, same frequency, architecture, the difference is just in threads.


Now i imagine i7-6850K with 12 threads would preform even better here, even though i'd probably run at a bit lower clock speeds. Would be cool to see it there in the list.
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Here the video i was referencing to... Worth the look.

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUOi1tlozG4

As you can see, the difference best manifests it's self at minimums. With 6600k the mins are substantially lower than with 6700k, with same frequency and with the exact same GPU. The draw-calls is something 4core CPU can't handle in tight situations. Here's where 8 threads come in handy.

If you look at the scenario: same generation CPUs, same frequency, architecture, the difference is just in threads.


Now i imagine i7-6850K with 12 threads would preform even better here, even though i'd probably run at a bit lower clock speeds. Would be cool to see it there in the list.

I had watched one of his earlier videos on the same topic, he blows it out of proportion more than it really is making it seem like the 6700k is better in all situations. Most games the 6600k and 6700k are close enough to not even matter, but as you see in Crysis and The Witcher 3 there are definitely games that benefit from the extra 4 threads.

Minimum requirements on BF1 is the 6600k with 6700 as recommended, so this may very well be one of those games that benefit from the 4 extra threads.
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Originally Posted by Waleh View Post

Ah okay. I play on a 144 hz monitor so I wanted to squeeze as many frames as I can get hence the upgrade to a 1070. Out of curiosity, how do you think frames will differ from your CPU at stock vs the 4.7 OC you got? In other words, is the OC giving you substantial real world performance? I have a tiny itx case with a small air cooler so I definitely can't clock that high.
I wouldn't be so sure. I don't know about BF1 being a CPU heavy game, didn't look it up, but if it is, 6600k could be a bit weak. My years old 4790 has a better single threaded score and multi threaded obviously since it has HT 8 cores, whereas 6600 isn't HT. New games usually benefit from multiple threads, they say some games can utilize even more threads than 8. Like i7-6850K, 6 cores / 12 threads...

It always depends on the game Engine. Some benefit but most do not.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/core_i7_6950x_6900k_6850k_and_6800k_processor_review,16.html

Most games do not benefit from more than 8 threads. It is also worth noticing that the higher your resolution gets the CPU influence is reduced as long as your CPU is not a bottleneck in the sense of the word.

But that is unrelated to the question that was if the 6600k will be a significant bottleneck in BF1, and your own link proves that the 6600k is a pretty good gaming CPU.
Of course it is not as fast as the 6700k who has the better single core performance (the deciding factor at most games.) but it is preforming very good, and it won't be a real bottleneck for BF1.
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I had watched one of his earlier videos on the same topic, he blows it out of proportion more than it really is making it seem like the 6700k is better in all situations. Most games the 6600k and 6700k are close enough to not even matter, but as you see in Crysis and The Witcher 3 there are definitely games that benefit from the extra 4 threads.

Minimum requirements on BF1 is the 6600k with 6700 as recommended, so this may very well be one of those games that benefit from the 4 extra threads.

That 6700 is better in every situation is not true, however i think we can agree that 6700 is better or equal to 6600 in every situation. Some games do benefit, some don't. Now it's up to us if its worth those extra 100$.

On another note, in theory in future more and more games will utilize more threads as consoles are getting higher threaded CPUs. New PS4 Pro: x86-64 AMD "Jaguar", 8 cores. Now PS5 is coming out in a year or so with i assume 8 "core" cpu or even more. But probably 8...
Now, we all know that consoles are a majority of gaming market and there's much more money in consoles, so developers will start coding with multi threaded cpus in mind, probably leading to better performance on the PC part (easier porting i assume).

I am no developer, so there is plenty of assumptions and speculation in this post.
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It always depends on the game Engine. Some benefit but most do not.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/core_i7_6950x_6900k_6850k_and_6800k_processor_review,16.html

Most games do not benefit from more than 8 threads. It is also worth noticing that the higher your resolution gets the CPU influence is reduced as long as your CPU is not a bottleneck in the sense of the word.

But that is unrelated to the question that was if the 6600k will be a significant bottleneck in BF1, and your own link proves that the 6600k is a pretty good gaming CPU.
Of course it is not as fast as the 6700k who has the better single core performance (the deciding factor at most games.) but it is preforming very good, and it won't be a real bottleneck for BF1.

Well, single threaded performance with 6600 and 6700 should be pretty much the same.




Note: 6700k test was run at higher freq - 3.5hgz - 3.9ghz vs 4.0 ghz - 4.2ghz. If you clocked both at 4.4 ghz lets say i think the score would be near identical. Now i don't own those CPUs and cant verify this and i don't know how each overclocks but i don't think there is much difference in IPC.

So these 2 CPUs are near identical, only that 6700k has 8 threads while 6600K has not. Assuming upcoming games will utilize 8 cores (looking at console trend) i think it is safe to assume that 6700k is quite better option especially taking future-proofing into account.
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I have a Palit Super Jetstream GTX 1070 and i use the ThunderMaster utility program that comes with it. it's simple and very easy. RGB lights and one badass cooler. it overclockes well and the plastic shroud around the heatsink allowes good airflow. It has Micron memory but it is one of the better ones for overclocking. 9200Mhz at all times. Core at 2100 Mhz. custom fan profile and dead silent. the fans on this card are big and move a lot of air at low rpm. if you are thinking about buying a GTX 1070, i would reccomend This one.
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So these 2 CPUs are near identical, only that 6700k has 8 threads while 6600K has not. Assuming upcoming games will utilize 8 cores (looking at console trend) i think it is safe to assume that 6700k is a better option especially taking future-proofing into account.

The 6700k is of course better, that's why it is significantly more expensive. wink.gif

here is Waleh question.
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Hey guys! I'm planning on getting a 1070 FE soon for my ITX build and I had a question. I currently have a 6600k and plan to mainly play BF1 once it comes out. However, I've been reading mixed reviews where some people are saying the 6600k bottlenecks the 1070 and others are saying you're still getting great performance with a 6600k/1070. I would be moving from a 970 to a 1070. I have considered a 6700k but I don't really want to spend money on a new processor. What do you guys say? Thanks thumb.gif

While the 6700k is better, the 6600k is a good CPU that will not prevent him to play BF1 at very good settings.
I think we should not unsettle Waleh here and make him buy a CPU he don't need for the task he specifically asked about.
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Thanks so much for all the responses! Of course the 6700k is a better CPU than the 6600k due to HT and newer titles taking advantage of HT. However, I think I'm going to stick to my 6600k as the upgrade from a 970 to 1070 is quite substantial for me and I don't want to spend the extra money right now on a new CPU
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Not sure why the clocks are different in each utility but in game it boosts to a max of 2113Mhz and the memory is at about 9250Mhz. Maxes out about 72c in games and is dead quiet, Very happy.
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