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My performance only improved since updating to creators with 381.65. I was on anniversary with 378.xx and I clearly notice improvement in both games and benchmarks.

EDIT: I got so annoyed by the terrible power limit on the G1 Gaming I decided to just YOLO flash a BIOS on it from a different card.. And it worked.. That was very unexpected.. The G1 is now running my other cards BIOS, a MSI Gaming Z. And it booted, drivers recognized the card and all outputs, and it shows in GPU-Z with MSI branding and clocks.

I'm going to see if the power limit is actually higher now and if it can OC stable.. Will report back. This BIOS should have a 291w power limit in stead of the G1's 200w.

EDIT2: Not stable with Gaming Z BIOS. Artifacts like mad under load.

Flashed a Gigabyte XOC BIOS now. It also boots and idles fine. Testing load now. (240w power).

EDIT3: So far no artifacting or weird behavior on the XOC BIOS. Runs Fire strike Ultra looped fine so far.

EDIT4: OK, I can say it's "safe" to flash a G1 Gaming with the XOC BIOS if it has Samsung memory. Runs fine. Fanspeed in RPM is a LOT lower so you need 80% PWM to run 2200RPM. But it's stable and so far runs fire strike @ 2114mhz core 4700mhz vram fine without hitting the power limiter. Barely.
Edited by Imprezzion - 4/14/17 at 7:36am
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Just tried a new driver whql 381.65 and Windows 10 Creator Update (1703)

3d mark firestrike result
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/12307496

+75 core clock, +600memory (9200mhz effective), max voltage, max power, 100% fanspeed.
highest point core clock is at 2076mhz seen in curve table. Custom curve = no.
Overall & Graphic scores pretty much the same as before,i didn't see any improvement.

Why reddit saying there is an improvement, https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/63t2bg/driver_38165_faqdiscussion_thread/
AS you can see 381.65+w10 CU got +500points graphic scores on 3d mark firestrike compared with windows 10 AU (anniversary update old version). i didn't see any improvement on my system.

I OC'd my card last night wth only +50 core and +500 gpu core. I saw marginal improvement in Firestrike. I tried time spy for DX12 and found out DX12 doesn't like even a little OC ....lol
 
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I am not suggesting you use precision long term. The auto OC feature is a handy tool to get a rough profile of your card.

You can have both installed at the same time, just don't run them at the same time

980 didn't have the curve to edit. It is a new feature with pascal cards that lets you eek out the last bit of performance from your card.

With the slider, it might go unstable at say, +100 if you are only using the slider. The instability is because one of the voltage points is unstable at +100 and the slider moves the entire fixed shape curve up and down. The weakest point could be say, 1.025V, All the other points might be quite happy at +150.

With the slider only, you waste all the OC potential of that extra 50 points for all the rest of the points other than the 1.025V.

Using the curve allows you, once you have identified which point is the weak one, to increase all the others up to their +150 max potential while leaving the 1.025 point at +100. The auto OC thing in Precision helps you identify the weak points on the curve more easily than starting from scratch.

The last time I tried Precision XOC I started having some weird issues. Even now the precision forums has people complaining about issues that disappear when XOC is uninstalled. I may try it otherwise. But how do you get to the curve feature in MS AB?

Time spy doesn't seem to like memory overclocked more than about +400 - +450.

 

xoc and afterburner only have code in memory when they are running. the xoc server/riva tuner that also start up should close automatically but it is worth checking on in the task bar and close manually is they are still present. I have had them both installed on my PC and never had issues but I do make sure not to run them concurrently

post #8413 of 8638
Conclusion:

- Gigabyte G1 Gaming can be flashed with the XOC BIOS. You gain +40w of power limit.
Note: Fan speed RPM is halved. You need a custom curve to work (~80% XOC is ~50% on G1).

- MSI Armor and Gaming X can be flashed to Gaming Z.
Note: All 3 versions have VERY high power limit of 291w.

- Crossflashing with the -6 flag in NVFlash to overwrite PCI-E subsystem mismatches works and is relatively safe.
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I have 2 cards here. A MSI Gaming Z with Micron that runs 2114-2128Mhz core and 4404Mhz VRAM max stable on max volt and power limits in MSI AB. Runs incredibly cool (never hits 60c on my custom fan profile) and is very stable. Clocks don't vary at all and never hits power limit.

Now, I also have a Gigabyte G1 Gaming. It clocks better, has Samsung that will do like 4700-4800 MHz and the core looks like it's good for like, 2128+ only even on stock it bounces all over the power limit.. Core clocks are all over the place with the G1 and I can't get it to just stabilize at all..

Is there like, a BIOS or tweak or whatever I can do to get a better power limit on the G1? I mean, it's (much) louder and hotter than the Gaming Z but hey if it clocks better..

keep in mind that even though a bios will install and run it doesn't always match the hardware that well.

 

When I was diagnosing the Micron bug, I cross flashed gust about all the bioses to my MSI card.

 

For a G1, If memory serves me correctly, it is a single 8 pin power card.

 

You could try the following

 

Palit Super Jetstream 1633Mhz base clock 225W

https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/187001/palit-gtx1070-8192-161021 

 

Palit Gamerock premium/ gainward GLH 1671Mhz Base Clock 2127Mhz Memory 225w (basically the same card different shroud)

https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/187013/palit-gtx1070-8192-161026  

https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/187062/187062 

 

Asus Strix OC bios 1633Mhz Core Clock 200W   That is the same power limit but power usage settings in the bios may not be so aggressive. This worked well when I flashed my MSI Gaming X card with the asus bios and is my favorite non MSI bios for my card. I am currently running the Gaming Z bios.

https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/187005/asus-gtx1070-8192-161020 

 

EVGA FTW bios with 226W limit constantly bounce off the limit also so it has something to do with how aggressively the bios is configured to draw power. I am not really a fan of this bios

 

You could also try the MSI Gaming Z bios on the G1 as well. The MSI as you know is 6+8 but it doesn't really draw more than 230W so it is within limits of the G1 hardware

https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/187155/msi-gtx1070-8192-161024-3


Edited by gtbtk - 4/14/17 at 7:58am
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I tried the Gaming Z BIOS on the G1 and it works sort of. But gives very serious memory relate artifacts and crashes even on stock vram speed.

The Palit BIOS works fine, but it offers no real advantages over the XOC BIOS as that has 240w. I still see 105-108% (~230w) on that BIOS when clocked to 2128mhz core, 4700 vram and +100 core volts. But at least it isn't throttling like with the original G1 BIOS.

EVGA, well, I used to run a EVGA FTW BIOS on my G1 Gaming 980 Ti.. Hehe. Haven't tested in the 1070 yet.

I am selling my G1 anyway in favor of the Gaming Z as it simply looks better, is MUCH cooler and quieter and has the best power limit and actual 6+8 to run it. And last but not least, a vented backplate which is way better than the G1's closed backplate.

The only major downside to my particular Gaming Z is the fact it has Micron VRAM and not Samsung. It's good Micron non the less, does 4400-4450Mhz perfectly stable, but it's no 4700+ Samsung..
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I tried the Gaming Z BIOS on the G1 and it works sort of. But gives very serious memory relate artifacts and crashes even on stock vram speed.

The Palit BIOS works fine, but it offers no real advantages over the XOC BIOS as that has 240w. I still see 105-108% (~230w) on that BIOS when clocked to 2128mhz core, 4700 vram and +100 core volts. But at least it isn't throttling like with the original G1 BIOS.

EVGA, well, I used to run a EVGA FTW BIOS on my G1 Gaming 980 Ti.. Hehe. Haven't tested in the 1070 yet.

I am selling my G1 anyway in favor of the Gaming Z as it simply looks better, is MUCH cooler and quieter and has the best power limit and actual 6+8 to run it. And last but not least, a vented backplate which is way better than the G1's closed backplate.

The only major downside to my particular Gaming Z is the fact it has Micron VRAM and not Samsung. It's good Micron non the less, does 4400-4450Mhz perfectly stable, but it's no 4700+ Samsung..

There is nothing generally wrong with Micron memory. The MSI Gaming cooler, in my opinion, is one of the best around. I like mine too.

 

The EVGA bioses bounce around everywhere, even at 1080p due to hitting the power limit. I would not bother wasting your time unless you want to play with Precision XOC autotuning.

 

Make sure any bios you test out is a 86.04.50.00.xx version. That is the family of bioses that solves the Memory controller bug that effected the Micron memory. After the update, I could run Firestrike at memory clocks just under 9400Mhz. Timespy is stable at 9000Mhz. I was getting the speeds you are getting now with the 86.04.26.00.xx version bioses.

 

Until my PSU blew it up the other day, I was running on an Asus z68 board and I did find tweaking VCCIO and CPUPLL voltages a little helped inprove the Graphics memory oc performance and stopped blue line artifacts appearing on screen if i started running 2g acceleration if i was at 600 over reference voltages. z77 may be similar?

 

Remember that the high end cards tend to have more beefy VRMs and use the dual power connectors than the lower range cards don't have. You can certainly try flashing a Zotac Amp extreme vios as well but it will pull 300W but you don't really get a performance increase in line with the amount of extra power you are drawing.

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I run the Micron update BIOS on my Gaming Z with Micron but anything over 4450Mhz will give bad artifacting (black blocks and stripes) in any 3d load. That's kind of why i wanted a Samsung card.

Did they sell the Gaming X / Z with Samsung at all?
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2138mhz coreclock by far is the highest coreclock that my card can at least pass a benchmark, but I guess it's just a lucky run. On 3d mark loop stress test it will likely crashes.

and with that 2138mhz my card still cant even manage solid +21.000 graphic scores,
Memory at +600 = 4600(9200mhz effective)

It's Samsung vram, but beyond +600 it will got a small artifacts during 3d mark loop stress test.
So +600 is by far most stable i can achieve for vram oc.
Edited by zipper17 - 4/14/17 at 7:13pm
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2138mhz coreclock by far is the highest coreclock that my card can at least pass a benchmark, but I guess it's just a lucky run. On 3d mark loop stress test it will likely crashes.

and with that 2138mhz my card still cant even manage solid +21.000 graphic scores,
Memory at +600 = 4600(9200mhz effective)

It's Samsung vram, but beyond +600 it will got a small artifacts during 3d mark loop stress test.
So +600 is by far most stable i can achieve for vram oc.

You mean 2139mhz, my card too. But for reduce throttling you need 200W bios.
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So I've tried the gigabyte extreme bios on my G1 but the San profile is too low and card gets hot, what would be the next best bios without having to make a custom fan curve?
    
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