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Dude it's simple english.
I told you what to do
I said set it to 200 amps.

it says a Value is divided by 1/4.
And a value of 400 is 100 amps
It says that right in front of you in simple english.
It's currently set at 0, which means auto.
I don't understand why I have to explain something extremely simple.

SO what would 200 amps be?

Please think.
400 is 100 so to get 200 i should set it to 800?
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Yes that's what I said earlier. You're making this hard. The very first time I ever looked at that screen I instantly understood everything, and I'm not an engineer. I just play videogames. I mean it's simple math.
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Yes that's what I said earlier. You're making this hard. The very first time I ever looked at that screen I instantly understood everything, and I'm not an engineer. I just play videogames. I mean it's simple math.

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Its evident we spend a lot of time on NBR lol

Hopefully he can get his system running optimally. Im still trying to get mine sorted actually. Updated v22 Haswell microcode and Intel ME but still get VRM limit. Hopefully I can fix that with software....cant get the IDP and Thermal Framework to install
    
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I assume that 99% to 70% refers to the load that the GPU is under?

As games progress, the load does vary depending on what the game engine is asking the GPU to render. If a scene has less triangles to render there is just simply not enough work to keep the card running at 99%.

If it is the HDD causing the stutter due to slow load times, you could test that by setting a save point just before the point that it happens, let it go through and stutter. Stop the gameplay and go back to the save setting just before the point that you saw the problem and run through the same passage of game play again. The textures should still be resident in the vram and not need to load from the disk for the second run. If you still get stutters and the card drops utilization again, it is not likely to be the hdd speed causing the issue but more likely a driver optimization issue.

Might we worth asking Santa for a new SSD for Xmas.

Options that you could also try is to set the Nvidia Control panel setting for the game to be max performance mode. You could also try disabling the shader cache for that game. It has been known to solve the stutter problems in GTA V

Hey gtbtk. I appreciate the response. I got the ssd (samsung 850 evo 500gb just now). Gonna install it soon into my system and will find out. I will also try the other methods suggested. Appreciate the help. smile.gif

On another note, when you said a game engine simply does have less triangles to ask the gpu to render, thus not pegging it at 99%. my question to that though, is if there's less stuff to render, instead of it dropping in gpu usage, wouldn't you just get higher fps with it still pegged at 99%? Since there's less stuff to render, it makes sense for it to stay at 99% with simply higher fps(less stuff to render). What are your thoughts on this?

 

That is a good SSD. I have the 840 Evo and I am really please with it. If you install windows on the SSD and boot from it, you will have what feels like a brand new machine.

 

You are correct if that is the only thing going on. However, among other things, the card also needs to load textures and they are all interdependent on each other. With a slow HDD it can exacerbate that problem and lead to stutters. Even with an SSD installed there is still a time component, albeit a smaller one, required to load the assets. The GPU also needs CPU cycles available to process the draw requests for it to process the next frame. If the CPU is already running at 100% or the GPU is starved of the assets required to create the frame, the graphics card has to either wait or draw the screens without textures.   

 

The other thing that I didn't touch on is how much Ram do you have installed in you machine and what is running in the background? If the Ram is marginal, the OS could also be swapping memory out to the page file which will also slow things down. 

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840 EVO had some issues with old files iirc
    
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you might find that one of the two software utilities is actually a better way to experiment

if the error message on the blue screen is 0x124 Whea correctable error. it means that it is lacking vcore. yest laptops will always be compromised when it comes to ultimate overclocking and temps unless you go and get the ASUS watercooled laptop
There you go. It took me ages to find that utility. IN tyhe pre micron bug fix days, I had been finding really inconsistent OC results. There seemed to be no Ryhme or reason, sometimes a stress test would run and other times it would fail with the same settings. It was that utility that let me finally see what was happening with my card throwing memory errors and identify the bug in the bios for Micron memory cards.
I tried XTU with 1.350V @ 4.4 it ran without crash on Time Spy but score was horrible and temps went from 75 to 92 , mehh i'll keep my 4.1 with Stock options in BIOS really seems to be thr golden spot.

The score drop is likely cause by thermal throttling. Increasing Voltages do cause increased temps.  The overclocking game is all about finding the right compromises. 4.1 at 100% all the time is likely better than starting at 4.4 but spending most of its time at 3Ghz because of a throttle situation. 

 

Now that you have confirmed that voltage is the reason that your CPU struggles above 4.1GHz, you can do some fine tuning if you want to. Faster CPU clocks always require more voltage. The stock voltage settings usually leave a little headroom and by going to 4.1 you have used the voltage headroom at stock settings up.

 

Overclocking anything, laptop or desktop, is always about finding the best compromise betweeen frequency, voltage and temps. Your cpu would probably run at 5Ghz with 1.45v if you could cool it down enough. Sadly, a laptop chassis doesn't allow you enough cooling potential to allow you to do that without major modifications and sub zero cooling.

 

The best compromise may be something like 4.25Ghz at 1.27v @ 80 deg  (just pulling numbers out of the air here). If it was me, I would dial in the OC by what temps the settings cause. Find compromise gives you the best performance while keeping temps in check and not throttling. 95 deg at 1.35v is too much but If you are topping out at 75 degrees with stock volts, you still have a bit of thermal headroom to play with. 80-85 deg should still be fine and not hitting thermal limits. You can increase the clocks and the voltage by 5mv at a time and check temps.

 

edit: current throttling actually seems like a more likely bet but that has been discussed


Edited by gtbtk - 12/11/17 at 2:01am
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840 EVO had some issues with old files iirc

it had issues with the initial release firmware, trim and a persormance drop off. It took 2 firmware updates but that was resolved that a number of years ago.

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it had issues with the initial release firmware, trim and a persormance drop off. It took 2 firmware updates but that was resolved that a number of years ago.

Ah, well glad it was fixed. Last I read the fix was basically a monthly scan to keep the files current.
    
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The score drop is likely cause by thermal throttling. Increasing Voltages do cause increased temps.  The overclocking game is all about finding the right compromises. 4.1 at 100% all the time is likely better than starting at 4.4 but spending most of its time at 3Ghz because of a throttle situation. 

Now that you have confirmed that voltage is the reason that your CPU struggles above 4.1GHz, you can do some fine tuning if you want to. Faster CPU clocks always require more voltage. The stock voltage settings usually leave a little headroom and by going to 4.1 you have used the voltage headroom at stock settings up.

Overclocking anything, laptop or desktop, is always about finding the best compromise betweeen frequency, voltage and temps. Your cpu would probably run at 5Ghz with 1.45v if you could cool it down enough. Sadly, a laptop chassis doesn't allow you enough cooling potential to allow you to do that without major modifications and sub zero cooling.

The best compromise may be something like 4.25Ghz at 1.27v @ 80 deg  (just pulling numbers out of the air here). If it was me, I would dial in the OC by what temps the settings cause. Find compromise gives you the best performance while keeping temps in check and not throttling. 95 deg at 1.35v is too much but If you are topping out at 75 degrees with stock volts, you still have a bit of thermal headroom to play with. 80-85 deg should still be fine and not hitting thermal limits. You can increase the clocks and the voltage by 5mv at a time and check temps.

edit: current throttling actually seems like a more likely bet but that has been discussed
it can run 4.2 but most Benchmark scores drop alot so i just keep it @ 4.1 which keeps me at a reasonable performance and under 75 degrees.
Also no matter what i do 4.2 jumps up to 90's in temps. More than sure that " .1 " aint gonna give me much perform,ace anyway so i'll stay on a safe side thumb.gif
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Yes that's what I said earlier. You're making this hard. The very first time I ever looked at that screen I instantly understood everything, and I'm not an engineer. I just play videogames. I mean it's simple math.
So do i, Gaming mostly just do some Benchin at times for fun but its not always works out =bcz, i dont know the basics of Voltages, Watts and Amps. Anyway this is what i ended up with it got no extra performance so basically works the same as when it was @ "0" but thanx for the help. BTW CPU OC was way easier on my Z170A Gaming Pro Carbon -Desktop their options were absolutely awesome in BIOS. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Also forgot to mention i only got a 460W Power Supply to keep it all running 2 1070's , 6820 hk and an 18 inch Display. all 4 Overclocked
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