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Originally Posted by Bdonedge View Post

Does it? Because you didn't include a graph that shows the most popular PSU shroud cases?...
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You guys can see another example in the bit-tech's review of the Define Nano S here:http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cases/2016/03/04/fractal-design-define-nano-s-review/3.

According to that review, the GPU (GTX 980 3GB) Delta T inside the EVOLV ITX is only 3 degrees higher than in the Define Nano S and only 1 degree higher than in the NZXT Manta, the latter of which also has a PSU shroud that goes through the entire length of the case. So, Bdonedge, this example strengthen your side of the argument (i.e PSU shroud doesn't necessarily impedes GPU ventilation all that much).

However, according to the same review, the CPU ( i5-4670K at 4GHz) Delta T inside the EVOLV ITX is 15 degrees higher than in the Define Nano S and 17 degreeS higher than in the NZXT Manta.

So, you see Bdonedge, your problem is not the PSU shroud. It's that ill designed platform on top of the PSU shroud that is meant to hold an SSD/pump. It's simply sitting there, right in front of the intake 200mm fan, blocking all the air from reaching the CPU (and to some extant the GPU).

In the end, I have to agree with Gilles3000. A shroud may give the case a cleaner look, but it poops on the feng shui.
Edited by Thunderschnozzl - 6/6/16 at 5:23pm
post #952 of 1146
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Originally Posted by Thunderschnozzl View Post

You guys can see another example in the bit-tech's review of the Define Nano S here:http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cases/2016/03/04/fractal-design-define-nano-s-review/3.

According to that review, the GPU (GTX 980 3GB) Delta T inside the EVOLV ITX is only 3 degrees higher than in the Define Nano S and only 1 degree higher than in the NZXT Manta, the latter of which also has a PSU shroud that goes through the entire length of the case. So, Bdonedge, this example strengthen your side of the argument (i.e PSU shroud doesn't necessarily impedes GPU ventilation all that much).

However, according to the same review, the CPU ( i5-4670K at 4GHz) Delta T inside the EVOLV ITX is 15 degrees higher than in the Define Nano S and 17 degreeS higher than in the NZXT Manta.

So, you see Bdonedge, your problem is not the PSU shroud. It's that ill designed platform on top of the PSU shroud that is meant to hold an SSD/pump. It's simply sitting there, right in front of the intake 200mm fan, blocking all the air from reaching the CPU (and to some extant the GPU).

Actually that 3°C difference is significant, since the fan config in the bit-tech review was more setup towards CPU cooling. If the front fan was moved down or both fans were placed in front, GPU temps would've been even lower.

But the little hard drive bracket is indeed and issue too.

Basically any obstructions in the airflow path are bad, be it hard drive cages, brackets or PSU shrouds. Anyone who tries to say otherwise has no idea how airflow works.
post #953 of 1146
Ok, so it doesn't seem like NZXT is going to put out a GRID+ V3 fan controller that can work with the Noctua PWM fans in my Define Nano S. That means I'll have to settle for the GRID+ V2 and use 3pin fans if I want to be able to adjust their rpm based on GPU load. So, what do guys think:

2x http://www.amazon.com/Noiseblocker-NB-eLoop-B12-4-Bionic-2400rpm/dp/B00WV6ZUHO/ref=sr_1_10?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1465259244&sr=1-10&keywords=Noiseblocker+NB-eLoop

and

2x http://www.amazon.com/Noiseblocker-NB-eLoop-1400RPM-104-93CFM-28-5dBA/dp/B0149MBB16/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1465261577&sr=1-1&keywords=NB-eLoop+B14-3

or

2x http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835352021&ignorebbr=1

and

2x http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835352023&ignorebbr=1

The Noiseblocker eLoop fans have some weird "bionic loop rotor" with "position-invariant magnetic bearing NB-NanoSLI® 2" and "silent NB-EKA P2 Drive " (not a clue what any of that means). However, they do come with a 6-years warranty (the Fractal Design fans come with a 1- year warranty) and are way more powerful (almost like the Noctua industrial fans, but quieter)
Edited by Thunderschnozzl - 6/6/16 at 6:30pm
post #954 of 1146
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Originally Posted by Thunderschnozzl View Post

Ok, so it doesn't seem like NZXT is going to put out a GRID+ V3 fan controller that can work with the Noctua PWM fans in my Define Nano S. That means I'll have to settle for the GRID+ V2 and use 3pin fans if I want to be able to adjust their rpm based on GPU load.

i use grid+ v2 to manage my 6 vardars ER rad fans. no issues there.
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Bitspower tailors RGB water blocks for Geforce 1080 GTX partner manufacturers


(For the MSI GTX 1080 GAMING X, Asus GTX 1080 Strix, Gigabyte GTX 1080 G1 Gaming and others)




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post #956 of 1146
More G.Skill DDR4-4500 memory modules



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post #957 of 1146
xyz robots looks like sg1 replicators
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MOD in Taiwan competition




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MSI VR Backpack - Promising or Too Ambitious?

might have some military applications lol

battle armor in case u fall
plenty of heat sinks
lots of batteries

as long as u don't puncture your lithium battery
you won't go up like roman candle
post #960 of 1146
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Originally Posted by Gilles3000 View Post

The 200mm fan is pretty worthless indeed, but its not the cause of the terrible GPU temps, its most definitely the shroud. I would't be surprised if the temps dropped 5°C or more just by removing the shroud and all the metal obstructions attached to it, even with the 200mm fan.

That's why the Define S Nano is a much better design, it has a clean airflow path to bot the GPU and CPU.
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Originally Posted by Bdonedge View Post

Does it? Because you didn't include a graph that shows the most popular PSU shroud cases?...
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Originally Posted by Gilles3000 View Post

No but it does show the case we were talking about, the Evolv ITX, and how its significantly worse than any other case on the graph. If you want to compile your own graph with cases with gpu shrouds tested with the GPU in close proximity to them, go have a ball. But its not worth my time to disprove your nonsense.

If you want to believe in your own little fantasy that PSU shrouds are not obstructions and improve airflow, that's fine. But don't go soiling this forum with misinformation.
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Originally Posted by Thunderschnozzl View Post

You guys can see another example in the bit-tech's review of the Define Nano S here:http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cases/2016/03/04/fractal-design-define-nano-s-review/3.

According to that review, the GPU (GTX 980 3GB) Delta T inside the EVOLV ITX is only 3 degrees higher than in the Define Nano S and only 1 degree higher than in the NZXT Manta, the latter of which also has a PSU shroud that goes through the entire length of the case. So, Bdonedge, this example strengthen your side of the argument (i.e PSU shroud doesn't necessarily impedes GPU ventilation all that much).

However, according to the same review, the CPU ( i5-4670K at 4GHz) Delta T inside the EVOLV ITX is 15 degrees higher than in the Define Nano S and 17 degreeS higher than in the NZXT Manta.

So, you see Bdonedge, your problem is not the PSU shroud. It's that ill designed platform on top of the PSU shroud that is meant to hold an SSD/pump. It's simply sitting there, right in front of the intake 200mm fan, blocking all the air from reaching the CPU (and to some extant the GPU).

In the end, I have to agree with Gilles3000. A shroud may give the case a cleaner look, but it poops on the feng shui.
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Originally Posted by Gilles3000 View Post

Actually that 3°C difference is significant, since the fan config in the bit-tech review was more setup towards CPU cooling. If the front fan was moved down or both fans were placed in front, GPU temps would've been even lower.

But the little hard drive bracket is indeed and issue too.

Basically any obstructions in the airflow path are bad, be it hard drive cages, brackets or PSU shrouds. Anyone who tries to say otherwise has no idea how airflow works.

The GPU temps difference of 3C nearly falls into margin of error, but that does work both ways. I think the bigger issue with the Evolv ITX (and it's bigger brethren) is the front panel. It's the more restrictive piece here, and ultimately what I think makes it a worse performer than the Nano S. The shroud is obviously going to have some effect, but the Bit-tech review does help to show that it's not as drastic as you were making it sound earlier.

Conclusively, I would love to see reviewers actually using proper fan setups to review cases. I.e. I would have loved to see them put 2 x 140 in the Nano S as intake and the same for the Evolv ITX (that or 3x120). I understand why they don't as the cases need to be tested as they come, but I feel case reviews are hugely lacking in this aspect. In the end, if someone doesn't immediately see that the Nano S is going to offer better air cooling compared to the Evolv ITX just from the front panel design alone, then they are a bit delusional tongue.gif.
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