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post #111 of 232
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With the choice to develop a mouse with either optical or laser technology, surely ZOWIE and HeatoN has developed a high end laser mouse, using the newest technology available?

Wrong. If you expected us to develop a laser mouse using the newest technology with driver installation and complicated software, we are sorry to disappoint you. Only the best is good enough for us and our customers, unfortunately laser haven't been able to pass our extensive testing.

Why is this? Well, the laser technology surely is new and innovative. It only has one problem, but for a gaming grade product, the problem is quite serious. Most gamers prefer cloth mouse pads today, when using a mouse on a cloth surface, the movements will destroy the structure of the fibers bit by bit and static electricity caused by the friction between mouse feet and cloth will cause particles to stick to the lens very easily. This happens for both optical and laser lens, but the laser lens is more sensitive, resulting in a very unstable tracking when particles are gathered at the lens. The optical lens is not as annoyed by the absorption of particles and will continue to function flawlessly, as it pretty much ignores the particles.

Comparing the disadvantages of laser and optical, it is quite clear that the optical technology is still the best solution for gaming at any level. We will continue to research on a solution to fix the current problem with laser, but until now, we have not been able to accept the issues caused by laser, as we don't feel any gamer should have to struggle with their mouse skipping in the middle of a game.
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With the choice to develop a mouse with either optical or laser technology, surely ZOWIE and HeatoN has developed a high end laser mouse, using the newest technology available?

Wrong. If you expected us to develop a laser mouse using the newest technology with driver installation and complicated software, we are sorry to disappoint you. Only the best is good enough for us and our customers, unfortunately laser haven't been able to pass our extensive testing.

Why is this? Well, the laser technology surely is new and innovative. It only has one problem, but for a gaming grade product, the problem is quite serious. Most gamers prefer cloth mouse pads today, when using a mouse on a cloth surface, the movements will destroy the structure of the fibers bit by bit and static electricity caused by the friction between mouse feet and cloth will cause particles to stick to the lens very easily. This happens for both optical and laser lens, but the laser lens is more sensitive, resulting in a very unstable tracking when particles are gathered at the lens. The optical lens is not as annoyed by the absorption of particles and will continue to function flawlessly, as it pretty much ignores the particles.

Comparing the disadvantages of laser and optical, it is quite clear that the optical technology is still the best solution for gaming at any level. We will continue to research on a solution to fix the current problem with laser, but until now, we have not been able to accept the issues caused by laser, as we don't feel any gamer should have to struggle with their mouse skipping in the middle of a game.

The question regarding mouse correction or prediction is very interesting, as there is no easy explanation. To give you the honest truth, it’s not about whether or not a mouse has prediction. It’s about the level of prediction it has, as all mice have some extent of prediction.

Most gamers today consider the mouse correction / prediction as a deed of pure evil which forces your mouse to make straight lines, even if you don’t want to. Our mice does not force you to do anything, so in terms of the general understanding of the gaming community, our mice does not have any mouse correction. Your movement is your own.

However, to continue the story, if there was no prediction at all in a mouse, you would only get lines that look like this:



Please note that this is even if you drag your mouse completely straight.

Why is this? Well, take a look at the surface of your mousepad. It doesn’t matter if it’s plastic, cloth or something else, but what you are looking at will most likely be textured. When running your fingers across your mousepad, you can feel that it is uneven.

To get a stable experience when using a mouse, the sensor should only track on the even points of the surface, but as this is somewhat impossible, the sensor uses prediction to even out the gap in-between fibers and particles, so your experience is stable. We believe that this is the only thing prediction should be used for, and have therefore limited the prediction to be as low as possible. The term “prediction or not†was born with some manufacturers overdoing the prediction.

To give you a better understanding, I have created these images for you:
With a 125 Hz mouse, the tracking will look as in this image, with the red arrows being prediction:



As you can see from this image, the gap the sensor needs to predict to go from point A to B is very high.
There are sensors which naturally consider the prediction to be as low as possible, but most of them have other problems. There are other ways to achieve a minimum prediction. We use the Avago 3060 sensor because it is the most stable sensor available. The Avago 3060 is an older sensor, yet it still delivers the best overall performance during extensive use, making it the optimal sensor for a competitive gaming mouse. The Avago 3060 would normally be considered to have prediction, but our 1000 Hz evens out the prediction and makes the gap it needs to predict much smaller.

Look at this picture:



As you can see in this picture, the EC-mice updates 6 times faster than a normal 125 Hz mouse.

So the final answer to the question is:
Yes, the EC-mice do have prediction, but only the minimum level required in order to have a functional mouse. In terms of how gamers currently interprets the term “predictionâ€, then the EC-series would not be considered to have prediction.

I hope our honesty will be appreciated in the community. Trying out the mice will truly show that we have taken all of these things into consideration, and that our mice allows for free movement.

Best regards,

Danny Ramkvist
Chief Marketing Officer
post #112 of 232
but how would they talk their way out of using the 3310?
post #113 of 232
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Originally Posted by SmashTV View Post

Same story with my G402. Bad sensor this, shape that from a select few. Stayed away from it early on until I decided to try it out. Got it and plugged it in midgame and it's been on the desk ever since.

Now it's my avatar and location to much desired annoyance. biggrin.gif

I don't recall many people complaining about the shape of the G402.

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Originally Posted by chr1spe View Post

Also with the prevalence of mouse wheel jumping and zowie having pretty bad scroll wheels I'm surprised people don't get frustrated with them just based off that.

I get frustrated with the EC eVo series. I couldn't use that wheel to bhop.

I have a difficult time bhopping with the other 16 notch Zowie mice. I don't know if it's the MCU code or just the physical design of the wheel
Edited by popups - 6/3/16 at 3:34pm
post #114 of 232
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Originally Posted by chr1spe View Post

Idk, honestly I would say the popularity of zowies is in a large portion due to hype. As at least one person in this thread has shown zowie has some how been able to make hype around a lack of software for example and quite a few uninformed people will try to tell you any mouse that has even optional software automatically feels worse than zowie and final mouse simply due to the fact that they lack software. I don't know if any pros are actually naive enough to fall for this stuff, but I can't imagine so many of them use them because they actually find them much better than other mice. Also with the prevalence of mouse wheel jumping and zowie having pretty bad scroll wheels I'm surprised people don't get frustrated with them just based off that.

From what i have seen pros seem even more prone to hype. Or they are just marketing for their sponsors. Idk i have used pretty much every current gaming mouse out there, and out of them all i just prefer the zowie mice more. The scroll wheels are horrid but i just like plain mice. No fancy designs, no change in textures used (although i would prefer rubber coating) rgb is cool but im looking for a mouse to be a tool that i can rely on. Never experienced any kind of sensor malfunction ever on a zowie 3310 some people say it feels laggy or whatever but i have not noticed that much of a difference. It sucks because it seems like every single mouse has it's problems that stick out a lot to me but out of them all the zowie's have the least. Now i just gotta wait till the ec1-a/ec2-a to come back in stock on amazon found out i really enjoy ergo mice more (and a little less click force required). Out of all the mice i have tried the g303 is like second best out of them all, but holy **** does that mouse destroy my wrist. It's just so controllable, but even with how good i play with it i can't put my wrist through that with how much i play fps.
post #115 of 232
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Originally Posted by xdmcdantex View Post

Out of all the mice i have tried the g303 is like second best out of them all, but holy **** does that mouse destroy my wrist. It's just so controllable, but even with how good i play with it i can't put my wrist through that with how much i play fps.

Stay with the Darkside, the powers are better than a wrist!
post #116 of 232
I don `t understand why none pro player use the castor.
If you like the shape is one of the best mice on the market,the sensor is very good.
Sorry for the bad english.
post #117 of 232
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Originally Posted by PhiZaRoaH View Post

Stay with the Darkside, the powers are better than a wrist!

I can't do it, not only does it destroy my wrist but my fingers get cramped as well. It just detracts from the experience when i use that mouse, constantly stretching my fingers and cracking my knuckles and bending my wrist when i use it. Who knows though, if i get some bad luck with the ec1/ec2 and manage to get one with a shoddy scroll wheel (that randomly scrolls down when bumped) or some other defect i might end up just going back to g303 but i seriously doubt it.

Stop tempting me to go back to the dark side.
post #118 of 232
Even if it is 3310, Mionix implementation of this sensor beats Zowie's by far. I'm not fan of the shape tho and i can imagine many people as well.
Edited by P54J - 6/4/16 at 6:44pm
post #119 of 232
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Originally Posted by xdmcdantex View Post

I can't do it, not only does it destroy my wrist but my fingers get cramped as well. It just detracts from the experience when i use that mouse, constantly stretching my fingers and cracking my knuckles and bending my wrist when i use it. Who knows though, if i get some bad luck with the ec1/ec2 and manage to get one with a shoddy scroll wheel (that randomly scrolls down when bumped) or some other defect i might end up just going back to g303 but i seriously doubt it.

Stop tempting me to go back to the dark side.

I am merely trying to get you to stay on the master race side is all. lol with today's technology by the time your wrist & hand and fingers are all done for, you can just have a new everything put on. Which means your wrist could even get better! no pain ever again! This is the future son, don't waste it with worry of 'discomfort' & functionality, you will have enough functionality to last a life time. We seek & destroy to the maximum of our potential....this mouse is your tool to winning. Don't just HOLD the G303....let it hold you.
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Originally Posted by P54J View Post

Even if it is 3310, Mionix implementation of this sensor beats Zowie's by far. I'm not fan of the shape tho and i can imagine many people as well.

I think you quoted the wrong person in regards to the Mionix 3310 sensor talk.

I believe this is who you meant to quote.
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Originally Posted by doors1991 View Post

I don `t understand why none pro player use the castor.
If you like the shape is one of the best mice on the market,the sensor is very good.
Sorry for the bad english.
post #120 of 232
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Originally Posted by PhiZaRoaH View Post

Don't just HOLD the G303....let it hold you.

Is this what you say to all the young ones here on this forum?

When they sit in those therapists chairs accounting the horrors that was perpetrated upon them when they were young, the only names that shall forever be burned into their memories will be the G303 and PhiZaRoaH, for helping them to abuse all the innocent youngsters, that could of had a healthy future but were all robbed of it.

Never again could they hold another mouse in their hands without remembering the abuse the g303 has done to them. It's about time we the elders here stop this type of abuse from occurring, it's our duty to protect the youngsters from such blatant horrors as the G303.
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