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post #21 of 232
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I'm pretty surprised that so many of you feel the same way, didn't expect that lol

I still don't understand why so many pros using EC1/2 and ZA, and it seems like more and more are switching to Zowie. RUSH for example was using a good old DA 3.5G until recently and now he also switched to Zowie. Don't they notice the lag? One would think that pros want the most responsive mousefeeling.. Or maybe it has something to do with BenQ buying Zowie and now they are forced to use zowie mice ? just recently i have noticed that many more are using them than before. its crazy

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UaM765-S515ibLyPaBtMnBz7xiao0HL5f-F1zk_CSF4/edit#gid=1762004852
post #22 of 232
Pros have NEVER played with the most optimal mouse, at least not in CS.
They play with 1. Sponsor gear 2. What they feel is comfortable.
Sensor comes in second as long as its decent.

Many playing, or played with Xai, Raw etc etc.
Most of the pros have no Idea what smoothing etc is i am fairly sure, or feel a difference with most things regarding sensor.
post #23 of 232
I've had an EC1-A and currently use the ZA12. Both feel fine to me, personally. I don't feel lag like I've felt in some other mice. I'll also note that I use 500hz on default LOD settings (Used the same on the EC1-A)
Edited by LegoFarmer - 5/31/16 at 7:41am
post #24 of 232
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Originally Posted by Ruvan View Post

Zowie do some good shapes that work well for people that don't have conventionally sized hands and/or want to use claw/finger grips.

As a claw gripper with short fingers there isn't a lot of choice for me in terms of mice with good factors and sensors.

I personally move the mouse at up to 4 m/s and notice no tracking problems with either of my Zowie mice. The buttons are a bit stiff on my older (yellow) FK but that is fixed on my newer (white pre-Benq) ZA.

For me personally the ec2-a is a perfect shape, and I love the coating, the buttons, the cord and the fact it's driverless. However the sensors just don't behave in the proper manner imho.
post #25 of 232
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Originally Posted by Poodle View Post

Laggy Zowie biggrin.gif

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlFFiTSdLOY

Nothing to see here.
The first kill is just plain click reaction.
The next two are lucky jump shots with barely any mosue movement.
The 4th one was just absolutely stupid from the enemy, and tbh many players on that rank do those close up no scope shots.

Sure, it was an exciting scene watching it live and destroying the whole push, but there is no REAL skill to see here, though coldzera is definitely a strong player, won't argue with that.


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Originally Posted by JDF View Post

What about this review...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug9ZoNB1UNk

Yeah, what about it?
post #26 of 232
Sensor believers. Yawn.
post #27 of 232
Why do the Zowie naysayers never mention that there are not many viable alternatives that offer the perfect balance of shape, sensor and weight? SS will never make a 3360 Sensei. Logitech is hesitant to offer a light 3360 with a less polarizing shape than the 303 at that price range, for fear of market cannibalization. Finalmouse Scream One is the only real answer but it hasn't been released yet and there is no confidence that they will be able to deliver a quality QC product in July. Until ScreamOne comes out and proves us wrong, or SS decides to stick their heads out of the ground and make a 3360 Sensei just pipe down.
post #28 of 232
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Originally Posted by rugi View Post

Why do the Zowie naysayers never mention that there are not many viable alternatives that offer the perfect balance of shape, sensor and weight? SS will never make a 3360 Sensei. Logitech is hesitant to offer a light 3360 with a less polarizing shape than the 303 at that price range, for fear of market cannibalization. Finalmouse Scream One is the only real answer but it hasn't been released yet and there is no confidence that they will be able to deliver a quality QC product in July. Until ScreamOne comes out and proves us wrong, or SS decides to stick their heads out of the ground and make a 3360 Sensei just pipe down.

If I learned anything in marketing it's that mice companies want to avoid a 3360 with a lightweight, good cable, good clicks, good mouse feet, and good scroll wheel. Basically in the most not sugar coated way they intetionally make products worse so that they can keep re-releasing the same product with minor changes for increased profits. If someone made a perfect ambidex and ergo mouse with difference sizes with the same shape and all the top-end components packed with a 5 year warranty.. basically nobody would need another mouse if either of those fulfill your needs.. so short term it'd give some serious growth but then reach the decline stage quickly..... I guess people would buy multiple if they loved it enough.. G900 for me is 'almost' perfect in terms of what I want from a mouse.. I hate to say it but if the Scream one doesn't have any blatant QC annoyances or issues (after others buy it) I may check it out. Fortunately it releases right near where I'll be on a vacation so when I come back I'll be able to see all the reviews and if they deliver I will be quite impressed.. although if they fail I wouldn't be surprised if the company disappeared? Not sure how much money they have invested into them
post #29 of 232
"Pros have NEVER played with the most optimal mouse, at least not in CS.
They play with 1. Sponsor gear 2. What they feel is comfortable.
Sensor comes in second as long as its decent.

Many playing, or played with Xai, Raw etc etc.
Most of the pros have no Idea what smoothing etc is i am fairly sure, or feel a difference with most things regarding sensor."

If they can perform to the level they do, how is picking by shape, then a sensor that works, 'not optimal'? Given their results, I would say they have chosen very optimally - I've never seen or heard of a team losing a championship because of mouse failures. I'm not sure what order one would choose to be better than that - a great sensor isn't going to help them if their hand cramps up using the mouse.
post #30 of 232
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Originally Posted by Robobot View Post

"Pros have NEVER played with the most optimal mouse, at least not in CS.
They play with 1. Sponsor gear 2. What they feel is comfortable.
Sensor comes in second as long as its decent.

Many playing, or played with Xai, Raw etc etc.
Most of the pros have no Idea what smoothing etc is i am fairly sure, or feel a difference with most things regarding sensor."

If they can perform to the level they do, how is picking by shape, then a sensor that works, 'not optimal'? Given their results, I would say they have chosen very optimally - I've never seen or heard of a team losing a championship because of mouse failures. I'm not sure what order one would choose to be better than that - a great sensor isn't going to help them if their hand cramps up using the mouse.

Well, we talked about sensor performance, so I was talking about optimal mouse from a sensor based standpoint.
As I said they pick from sponsor demands or what they feel is comfortable, which is more important then sensor since most of them have no Idea about all the indepth stuff with smoothing etc etc.
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