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Originally Posted by Conditioned View Post

I would probably think that the people here are exactly the target audience for the zowie mice. High performance, no frills, hardcore gaming? Most here are in. Still though, they don't really cut it for the most part imho. It's the same as with wine. A lot of wines get good reviews, until they get to the elite. They have taste buds that just surpasses the regular reviewer in your local paper. Same here, there are some here that just have so much higher resolution nervous systems that they surpass regular reviewers.

What I meant was MMO mice getting praise for many buttons and weight systems. You won't see that here because it would get shut down pretty quickly. However they sell well in general.
Zowie has flaws, but they get the job done just fine. Comparison to wine (or whisky) could fit too, because up there it's mainly nit picking and preferences.
I support strife for better tech in general, but it's wrong to say that most current mice aren't usable.
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Originally Posted by Junkrat View Post

After spending a month or two voraciously reading up on mice, as I wanted to find one just right for me, I noticed a couple things about Zowie:

  • Zowie mice are some of the best reviewed mice out there... except here. There seems to be some very vocal people here that dislike them, and there seems to be a real echo chamber effect on this forum.
  • I almost never see hard data to go along with these claims, it is almost always "It feels laggy compared to X". And when Zowie mice are actually tested, they seem to defy these claims.
  • Despite widespread use by pro-gamers and aspiring gamers (without sponsors), with senses as attuned as you can get (and have also owned/test/use all varieties of mice... no one here is some king of geekdom), or reviews by people like Rocket who have a desk full of mice and experience, they are just discounted and ignored.

Anyway, I have also seen a trend from many on this forums not really liking anything, just tolerating some mice more/less, chasing a unicorn mouse that is always around the corner. At the end of the day it is hard to take some opinions too seriously, I am left wondering if ANY mouse would get a real thumbs up from some people...

Sort of like how the MLT04 is the god sensor on this forum.....

Ok I'm no mouse expert like some of the people here, all I can go by is my feel. I went from a WMO to an FK2 and it felt better in every way for me, without all of the hassle of the WMO....ie, low PCS speed and having to use bastardized, unsigned usb drivers just to get that low pcs speed to even a usable level. WMOs are fragile..I'm not that hard on mine and i've broken the 2 I have multiple times....though Im sure this is due more to the 20 year old plastic than the mouse design..but I digress...

Again feel wise, I couldn't tell the difference or notice any smoothing and if its there it helped me.....my scores went up a bit going from the WMO to the FK2.

Since I've gotten the FK2 I've tried a Mionix Avior..the mouse everyone says is one of the best 3310 mice you can get. The shape was terrible, its too wide for me, I hit the right side buttons constantly and it is heavy...honestly felt like I was moving a brick compared to the zowie. The zowie also has right side buttons..I've never had an issue accidentally hitting them. Also the switches and/or click latency...I can actually double click the huanos on my FK2 faster than I could the omrons on the avior. I did some unscientific click tests on the internet and I couldn't tell any appreciable difference in latency of the clicks between the avior and the fk2 either.
Sensor wise they didnt feel any different for me.

Right now Im trying a Roccat Kone Pure Black, KPM in pure shell, and I'm still on the fence. Again the KPM is one of the mice everyone praises for the 3310 implementation. Feel wise it's nice and confortable. I think I hit the left side buttons easier than I can on the Zowie..but to me...the sensor is terrible....its sluggish and laggy to me. I'm not one the say this is crap it's got smoothing but if I were to say that's smoothing...its what Im feeling when I use the KPM. Same DPI, 800 nothing else change but the mouse and the Roccat feels completely different to me.....and not better.

So again...I have multiple people tell me this is better and that is better but I can only go from what I can feel and do...for me I have not found anything better than the zowie and the do have the best shape and weights....that's not a debate...

so how is it that I have a completly opposite experience from what everyone else seems to say I should be having? everything is relative....
Edited by loki993 - 6/1/16 at 7:09am
post #53 of 232
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Originally Posted by Junkrat View Post

This thread?

http://www.overclock.net/t/1563813/somewhat-objectively-evaluating-sensor-responsiveness/670

I read it. It is sparse with actual data on Zowie, little to no data on how people normalized their tests, and no summary of results anywhere.... or I am missing something? There is quite a bit of that echo chamber effect I mentioned though, where people just talk about what they think, with no actual testing.

And interestingly, one of the more recent entries (with a good set of data/tests) is an EC1-A which performs well, including an OC'ed Zowie that is shown at least on par with the G303.

Well I've done my own testing and a 3090/3310 Zowie consistently lose against most mice.

The only one of my own mice that I found to be worse in responsiveness was the Abyssus 2014 with Synapse installed. Uninstalled it also performed better. If I wasn't stuck at 1800 dpi then, it would've been my main mouse.

But it's all relative, shape matters alot. I'm now running a G900 without a battery, but before I always returned to the Zowie FK2 due to the shape.

Also that test has been done running the usb filter for higher Hz. For all we know, above 1000 Hz everything changes, but until it becomes standard, I'm sticking with 1000.
Edited by CorruptBE - 6/1/16 at 7:13am
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Originally Posted by CorruptBE View Post

Well I've done my own testing and a 3090/3310 Zowie consistently lose against most mice.

The only one of my own mice that I found to be worse in responsiveness was the Abyssus 2014 with Synapse installed. Uninstalled it also performed better. If I wasn't stuck at 1800 dpi then, it would've been my main mouse.

But it's all relative, shape matters alot. I'm now running a G900 without a battery, but before I always returned to the Zowie FK2 due to the shape.

Also that test has been done running the usb filter for higher Hz. For all we know, above 1000 Hz everything changes, but until it becomes standard, I'm sticking with 1000.

How are you testing them? Im curious because I don't know how..so I can never get real data...I can only go by "feel"
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I just play aim400kg exact aim game with different mice and use the mouse which I get constantly best score. And that is EC2-A. Second best is G303. Third place goes to Coolermaster Mizar.

http://aim400kg.com/ea/

Well it might show you what shape you enjoy the most,
It says absolutely zero about performance, all about the shape.
I get my best scores in "tests" like these with Logitech G1 among one, which has a well not so good sensor. But the shape is the optimal shape for me.

Also most of those tests run with crappy framerate which makes the cursor feel horrible.
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Originally Posted by PhiZaRoaH View Post

Does this mean you do not care for the newer versions of the Da's?

Haven't tried them. Seems to be a lot of people having issues with ql though.
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So from what I gather from looking over that is it mostly just validating polling rate? Thats part of the performance of a mouse but definitely not all of it. Not arguing or anything but that test doesn't appear to be the end all be all test for any mouse...Zowie or otherwise.
Edited by loki993 - 6/1/16 at 10:23am
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I love the EC2-A shape, but just can't get used to the super low LOD. I've come from 10 years of using MX518 / DA 3G and I hate the feeling that the mouse cursor has 'frozen' when I lift up to do swipes. If it wasn't for that, it'd be perfect for me.
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Originally Posted by tom2k11 View Post

I love the EC2-A shape, but just can't get used to the super low LOD. I've come from 10 years of using MX518 / DA 3G and I hate the feeling that the mouse cursor has 'frozen' when I lift up to do swipes. If it wasn't for that, it'd be perfect for me.

You can change the LOD.
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