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post #31 of 48
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Originally Posted by BobBobFSGG View Post

Which is basically the same as Acer Predator XB241H, nothing new or interesting. I remember reading that all those "overclocking" bonus ranges (180Hz in this case) ain't one bit useful and introduce more harm than good.

This one on other hand:
looks like something completely new. Reported as native 240Hz refresh rate, though will need to see how much of it is true. Don't think there were any news or leaks on the panels capable of such refresh rates, let along in the 24" form factor.
ugh... another peasant 240Hz Gsy... I mean 1080p TN monitor

really interested in this one, might sell my MX27AQ secondary monitor for that baby...
post #32 of 48
Imho a 24.5" 1080p TN monitor, even if it natively supports 240hz, is not really a visual upgrade to the older generations of gaming monitors. Judging by the pictures, the contrast ratio and viewing angles are just as bad as the "normal" 144Hz TN monitors. So what exactly is the reason to buy them? The only group of ppl I can see this be an advantage for are some semi-professional/professional CS Go players or Quake Live/Doom players. For everyone else, the additional 100hz will barely be worth upgrading to that monitor. Not to mention that even at 1080p, only few games will actually be able to go above 140fps with maxed out quality.

If youre coming from a 144, 24" TN Monitor, a real visual upgrade would be a 1440p IPS monitor @ 144hz. Or let alone a 1440p TN monitor @ 144hz and native 8-bit panel. Higher DPI significantly increases the ammount of detail and better contrast improves the overal visual experience.

I see no point in buying a 24" 1080p TN nowadays even if it supports 240hz natively. If it was a 1440p TN @ 24.5" and either 144Hz or 240Hz, that would be a different story.

When youve used monitors like the Dell U2515H which is a 1440p IPS @ 25", going back to those 1080p 24" gaming TN monitors- they look like a pile of dog crap.

But again, that 4K AHVA @ 144hz does look very interesting. It will have a high PPI ratio, not quite "retina-like", but very solid still. Im looking forward to that monitor actually and if the QC of those panels isnt too abysmal, I will replace my XL2730z by that 4K AHVA @ 144hz.
post #33 of 48
i hope dell s2417dg will have the new 1440p panel. Will give you nice ppi and high refresh rate. Only question will be how troublesome UI will be in games that doesnt have UI scale?
post #34 of 48
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i hope dell s2417dg will have the new 1440p panel. Will give you nice ppi and high refresh rate. Only question will be how troublesome UI will be in games that doesnt have UI scale?

You will need good eyes tongue.gif.
The 24'' TN panel is certainly interesting, wonder how displays will be priced.

http://www.panelook.com/M238DTN01.2_AUO_23.8_LCM_overview_27073.html

It is also listed as true 8-bit panel, like its bigger brother
123PPI and viewing angles should be better than the 27'' since it is smaller.
I hope AUO finally use a lighter AG coating, but I wouldn't get my hopes up tiredsmiley.gif

If the Dell ain't gonna use it - Acer, AOC and BenQ will sooner or later. The Acer variant is already listed on AMD's FreeSync monitor list.
post #35 of 48
I was really hoping for a 40" screen.
post #36 of 48
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I see no point in buying a 24" 1080p TN nowadays even if it supports 240hz natively. If it was a 1440p TN @ 24.5" and either 144Hz or 240Hz, that would be a different story.

Many people still want 1080p today and will still want it for the foreseeable future. If you like the incredible fluidity that comes from high fps + high refresh rate, but don't have a high end card like a 980ti/titanx, then 1080p is your go-to resolution. I typically upgrade every other generation with a mid-range card (ie 660ti, 970, etc) and I don't see myself ever using 1440p for quite some time.
post #37 of 48
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Many people still want 1080p today and will still want it for the foreseeable future. If you like the incredible fluidity that comes from high fps + high refresh rate, but don't have a high end card like a 980ti/titanx, then 1080p is your go-to resolution. I typically upgrade every other generation with a mid-range card (ie 660ti, 970, etc) and I don't see myself ever using 1440p for quite some time.

I think your claim is contradicting. Because tell me what mid-range card can maintain FPS above 140 in the games of the last 3-4 years, even at 1080p?

The only games, where mid-range cards will be able to achieve FPS higher than 140 are the popular MOBA games and mb games like CS Go and alike.

If we are talking about an upgrade of the visual experience on a monitor, that one 1080p @ 240hz monitor is barely considered an upgrade, if you own one of the 144hz TN 1080p monitors already.. It still has the same abysmal contrast and viewing angles judging by the Computex pictures (and ofc abysmal PPI).

Higher DPI and better contrast are whats a real visual upgrade to the regular 144hz TN monitors.

I mean after all 1080p is easily over 10 years old now, we have retina smartphones which have fantastic IQ and we have alot of affordable good looking 4K TVs, where even upscaled 1080p content looks "smoother" because of the pixels barely beeing visible.. especially when you come closer to the TV.

PC Monitor market was lacking behind alot technology-wise, but recently there is some progress it seems with high PPI + high refresh rate. Assuming that 4k AHVA @ 144Hz panel wont have some major QC issues, it will be an optimal size + ppi ratio monitor until a 25"-27" @ 4k Oled is released and affordable as well.
Edited by Stars - 6/7/16 at 1:00pm
post #38 of 48
My 970 runs tons of non-moba, current gen games at 100+ fps depending on settings, so not sure what you're talking about. I'm not arguing that 1440p/4k isn't better visually, because, well, duh. I'm claiming people still use, and will continue to use 1080p.
post #39 of 48
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My 970 runs tons of non-moba, current gen games at 100+ fps depending on settings, so not sure what you're talking about. I'm not arguing that 1440p/4k isn't better visually, because, well, duh. I'm claiming people still use, and will continue to use 1080p.

100+ fps wasnt the question. The question was aboout 140fps, let alone over 200fps. Sure ppl will still buy 1080p monitors, I was talking in particular about the 240Hz monitors shown at Computex.

While higher refresh rates is allways nice to see that there is some progress in that area, those 240hz TN monitors are barely worth an upgrade, esp. when you have one of them 144Hz TN monitors already. Like you get additional 100Hz on top, but the IQ still has an abysmally low contrast, abysmal viewing angles and just a washed out picture with bad PPI ratio.

Again the group of ppl who would get real benefit out of those 240HZ 1080p TN monitors is really small, mostly semi-pros/pros playing fps games like CSgo, Quake Live, Doom etc. Everyone else would actually benefit from a 1440p+ @ 144Hz way more. If they had a 1440p @ 240Hz, that ofcourse would be better, but I guess they still need a year or two, to make such panels.

I mean I have a XL2730Z and an LG 24GM77 and while the LG has one of the best IQ compared to other 144hz 24" tn monitors, it still feels so outdated when switching from the XL2730Z. The real native 8-bit TN panel and higher PPI on the XL2730Z make the image look so much better.
post #40 of 48
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I think your claim is contradicting. Because tell me what mid-range card can maintain FPS above 140 in the games of the last 3-4 years, even at 1080p?

The only games, where mid-range cards will be able to achieve FPS higher than 140 are the popular MOBA games and mb games like CS Go and alike.

Most esports type games. I play overwatch effortlessly around 200-250fps on a 980 already, and that's just to have a ton of buffer room so that i'm not percieving any performance drops.

WoW, SC2 and Diablo (most blizz games) achieve these framerates but have varying amounts of CPU demand, so a 6700k might be able to handle 500fps or 50fps depending on if you're in a light load or there are 500 things on screen.

I can play osu! with no frames slower than 1ms (1000fps) easily

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Everyone else would actually benefit from a 1440p+ @ 144Hz way more. If they had a 1440p @ 240Hz, that ofcourse would be better

Sure, but that would cause you to lose 40% of your framerate if/when GPU bound. Some games easily run at high FPS anyway, others don't. When you're trying to hit high framerates you'll often find that performance hit unacceptable, and then what? Set your screen to 720p because 1080p fullscreen doesn't scale well into 2560x1440?
Edited by Cyro999 - 6/9/16 at 1:57pm
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