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post #1061 of 7219
Yep, i've already gathered some info on delidding soldered CPU's. It bust be pushed exactly at one point and only from the side. No more than 1mm movement.
post #1062 of 7219
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Originally Posted by DarkIdeals View Post

Nope, the solder is literally pure indium. I "guess" you could say it's "somewhat" similar to the Liquid Metal stuff made by like Cool Laboratory, and its over 1mm thick compared to the super thin layer that a thermal paste will form. It's SUPER adhesive, so if you try to rip it off like a normal de-lid of an LGA 1150 etc.. CPU you will rip the CPU die in half due to the solder sticking so well to it that it pulls the die surface off the substrate as well.

There are tools in development to delid haswell-e and broadwell-e etc.. soldered CPUs but they aren't out yet. The way to do it is to push from the side so the IHS moves about 1mm from its original position, t hen flip it around and do the same thing pushing in the opposite direction. If you push more than 1mm you will knock off capacitors that regulate the FIVR and such. But the concept is that if you push from the SIDE you don't have to do the super dangerous heating of the solder etc.. which can still end up with the die ripping; something about the indium will end up with it simply "unsticking" if you push from the SIDE rather than ripping it off vertically.

However doing it yourself without a specialized tool is, it goes without saying, at your own risk!


Sometimes your posts remind me of the big buttons one presses in museums to hear about the exhibits, only for some reason the button starts talking about something completely different lol
post #1063 of 7219
The delid tool mentioned earlier is already available but it's pretty expensive: https://www.caseking.de/der8auer-delid-die-mate-fsd8-015.html
The BW-E version should be available too.

It also seems like you can't run BW-E naked as there won't be enough pressure on the cooler, that's a shame.
Edited by Martin778 - 7/5/16 at 6:00am
post #1064 of 7219
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I am aware it's soldered but the solder is still a kind of TIM, isn't it? rolleyes.gif

The shop would never accept a complaint about bad overclock temps if on stock the CPU runs stable, quite cool and puts out enough flops rolleyes.gif

I always heat up the block/cooler before removing it, with just twisting it slightly before pulling it comes off with no problems.
I've also lapped and delidded a 3770K before but for the 6950 I need a delid tool.

I would have pushed for an RMA. You've ruined your chances now. rolleyes.gif
post #1065 of 7219
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Originally Posted by DarkIdeals View Post

Nope, the solder is literally pure indium. I "guess" you could say it's "somewhat" similar to the Liquid Metal stuff made by like Cool Laboratory, and its over 1mm thick compared to the super thin layer that a thermal paste will form. It's SUPER adhesive, so if you try to rip it off like a normal de-lid of an LGA 1150 etc.. CPU you will rip the CPU die in half due to the solder sticking so well to it that it pulls the die surface off the substrate as well.

There are tools in development to delid haswell-e and broadwell-e etc.. soldered CPUs but they aren't out yet. The way to do it is to push from the side so the IHS moves about 1mm from its original position, t hen flip it around and do the same thing pushing in the opposite direction. If you push more than 1mm you will knock off capacitors that regulate the FIVR and such. But the concept is that if you push from the SIDE you don't have to do the super dangerous heating of the solder etc.. which can still end up with the die ripping; something about the indium will end up with it simply "unsticking" if you push from the SIDE rather than ripping it off vertically.

However doing it yourself without a specialized tool is, it goes without saying, at your own risk!
You still get 5-6 degrees cooler delidding a soldered cpu since it's closer to the IHS
post #1066 of 7219
Bare Die would be the best but you'd have to dismount the whole socket assembly and find a workaround on how to mount the water block without crushing the die.
I've done it at some point but cant remember on which CPU, either it was the 3770k or 2600k.

By the way, since the IHS is now bare copper, will it get damaged if I use CLU?
post #1067 of 7219
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Sometimes your posts remind me of the big buttons one presses in museums to hear about the exhibits, only for some reason the button starts talking about something completely different lol

Seriously, every time I read darky's posts, I get a little voice that screams in caps lock. There was another guy that posted like him too, he went as far as underline, italics and bolding words. I ended up having to block him to stop going nuts in certain threads. Darky isn't too bad yet, still teeter tottering between that button, but he does bring up some valid points every now and then tongue.gif The other guy was pure annoyance.
post #1068 of 7219
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Is there a difference between the 6850K and the E5-1650 V4? The E5-1650 V4 is a few dollars cheaper than the consumer variant. Both have 40 PCI-E lanes and such? Is the Xeon unlocked too?


http://ark.intel.com/products/92994/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-1650-v4-15M-Cache-3_60-GHz

http://ark.intel.com/products/94188/Intel-Core-i7-6850K-Processor-15M-Cache-up-to-3_80-GHz?q=6850k
I never heard of a Xeon unlocked, I guess I've been living under a rock if there is such a thing. I would avoid Xeon for a desktop machine only because it would be harder to resale the Xeon with good value vs the desktop CPU IMHO. What I'm seeing is people pull the CPU from servers eventually and the market gets flooded and people usually do not look for Xeons for their home computers, correct me if I'm wrong.
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post #1069 of 7219
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I never heard of a Xeon unlocked, I guess I've been living under a rock if there is such a thing. I would avoid Xeon for a desktop machine only because it would be harder to resale the Xeon with good value vs the desktop CPU IMHO. What I'm seeing is people pull the CPU from servers eventually and the market gets flooded and people usually do not look for Xeons for their home computers, correct me if I'm wrong.
Allow me to correct you then, there are unlocked xeons.
There was even one 8 cores unlocked for X79 (Xeon E5-1680V2), pretty neat to be able to have an 8 cores without switching to X99 when you already have a mighty fine R4E and good DDR3. Tho, that thing is rare too find and as expensive (if not more) as the 8 cores of HW-E/BW-E.
I've not heard of a unlocked Xeon for X99 this time around, but it would be nice.
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For HW-E there's the E5-1650 - 1660 - 1680 V3's that's unlocked.

BW-E there's the E5-1650 - 1660 - 1680 V4. One user somewhere on this forum posted about having the Xeon BW-E and was not able to change multiplers. I think he had a Gigabyte board.
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