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Yep, maybe.
But is seriously "kills" the sales and technical argument from ASUS for example concerning the OC socket motherboards....

Should be intresting to get feedback on cache BWE overclocks on "non OC motherboards"
The "ASUS argument" was much more compelling, as in hands-down with the OC socket. It was a binary differentiator. I still think they have a better board and UI than MSI or EVGA, but now you need to look closer...
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Hard to isolate it that way... Cache tends to show itself in synthetics and HPC far less so than games, or other applications.

The difference can be seen with the bandwidth of AIDA64 for example (even if it is a little biased with the architectural difference) ?
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post #1593 of 7478
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Originally Posted by GRABibus View Post

Yep, maybe.
But is seriously "kills" the sales and technical argument from ASUS for example concerning the OC socket motherboards....

Should be intresting to get feedback on cache BWE overclocks on "non OC motherboards"

Absolutely. They should put a disclaimer somewhere that the OC socket doesn't do much for BW-E.

I would love to see some tests on a board without the extra pins. Any EVGA Board will do... lol. I believe there is a poor soul with an EVGA Board in here. We should see if he will try out a few tests for us all.
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Originally Posted by Jpmboy View Post

NOt sure INtel was 100% happy with the OC socket on HWE.
I would not be the least bit surprised to see them blowing some fuses in the chip or just not routing over this.... (to explicitly block this)

[EDIT: Praz mooted my question/ponder with some info... the didn't block it]

They seem to run their xeon chips ludicrously cautious relative to what we know even lower quartile binned i7's can do (in terms of all-core turbo and clock rates).

Can only assume synchronous switching power computations show eventually a 100% chance of "something" they didn't ever want to happen.
Edited by cekim - 7/18/16 at 11:53am
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The difference can be seen with the bandwidth of AIDA64 for example (even if it is a little biased with the architectural difference) ?

See "synthetics" in my comment. You can definitely see it there.
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NOt sure INtel was 100% happy with the OC socket on HWE.


Intel added some of the OC socket functions via MSRs for BW-E, so for the masses, the external OC socket is largely redundant barring one of the settings which helps memory stability past DDR4-3200.
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See "synthetics" in my comment. You can definitely see it there.

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If someone who has tested a 5930K => 6850K or 5960X => 6900K can give its opinion
Since the cache is "stuck" on BW-E, I wondered for "synthetic" performances
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I would not be the least bit surprised to see them blowing some fuses in the chip or just not routing over this....

I'd be really curious to see why? I am sure they have a reason, likely longevity/warranty based which would be good to know...

They seem to run their xeon chips ludicrously cautious relative to what we know even lower quartile binned i7's can do (in terms of all-core turbo and clock rates).

This is because Xeons are sometimes ran with passive heatsinks in 1u chassis. I'm pretty positive of this.

Best binned CPU's, lowest heat output right?
post #1599 of 7478
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Originally Posted by Raja@ASUS View Post

Intel added some of the OC socket functions via MSRs for BW-E, so for the masses, the external OC socket is largely redundant barring one of the settings which helps memory stability past DDR4-3200.
ah, ok, so nothing so exciting as I imagined.. thanks...
post #1600 of 7478
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Originally Posted by Raja@ASUS View Post

Intel added some of the OC socket functions via MSRs for BW-E, so for the masses, the external OC socket is largely redundant barring one of the settings which helps memory stability past DDR4-3200.

So boards that didn't support cache overclock will now support it with a BIOS update with BW-E?

More or less?

If there is any truth to that my EVGA X99 Classy would be great for BW-E where for HW-E it was a joke.
Edited by nexxusty - 7/18/16 at 11:43am
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