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This is because Xeons are sometimes ran with passive heatsinks in 1u chassis. I'm pretty positive of this.

Best binned CPU's, lowest heat output right?
Indeed, well aware they are always fighting accumulated thermals in dense systems... It's just that they have all the info they need there to do so without as severe restrictions as they impose, but I understand they are in a bit of a green-field right now in terms of price, performance and power consumption, so they might as well keep the warranty/support/reliability risk very low as they simply don't need even the 30-40% speedup they could get from being more aggressive...

aka: sandbagging. ;-)
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Originally Posted by cekim View Post

I would not be the least bit surprised to see them blowing some fuses in the chip or just not routing over this.... (to explicitly block this)

Hello

The pads are still connected and functional. I verified this before installing the chip.

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Originally Posted by Raja@ASUS View Post

Intel added some of the OC socket functions via MSRs for BW-E, so for the masses, the external OC socket is largely redundant barring one of the settings which helps memory stability past DDR4-3200.

Memory overclocking still benefits from the OC Socket but as we are now 2 years into the socket and nobody has bothered to explore this I doubt it is of much value to most.
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Originally Posted by Praz View Post

Hello

The pads are still connected and functional. I verified this before installing the chip.
So, it really just is the BW cache architecture/layout vs the HW that dictates the clock limit. Interesting... Thanks,
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Originally Posted by cekim View Post

Indeed, well aware they are always fighting accumulated thermals in dense systems... It's just that they have all the info they need there to do so without as severe restrictions as they impose, but I understand they are in a bit of a green-field right now in terms of price, performance and power consumption, so they might as well keep the warranty/support/reliability risk very low as they simply don't need even the 30-40% speedup they could get from being more aggressive...

aka: sandbagging. ;-)

Haha, definitely sandbagging it right now.

I would 100% agree they can do more, no competition means they don't have to though. So they won't. Hehe.

Intel has such a lead right now in every market... astonishing really. AMD buying ATi spread them way too thin. Look at the time line. Everything has gone downhill since then CPU wise for AMD. They literally don't even have a mobile market anymore.

Just enough to save face... lol.
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Originally Posted by cekim View Post

Indeed, well aware they are always fighting accumulated thermals in dense systems... It's just that they have all the info they need there to do so without as severe restrictions as they impose, but I understand they are in a bit of a green-field right now in terms of price, performance and power consumption, so they might as well keep the warranty/support/reliability risk very low as they simply don't need even the 30-40% speedup they could get from being more aggressive...

aka: sandbagging. ;-)
I guess that's not entirely fair, since there was an OEM 200W xeon in a rack-mount water cooled system. So, if you can muster the numbers to do an OEM spin of the chip, you can have your flops...
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Originally Posted by cekim View Post

I guess that's not entirely fair, since there was an OEM 200W xeon in a rack-mount water cooled system. So, if you can muster the numbers to do an OEM spin of the chip, you can have your flops...

Love my flops bro... lol.

I've seen ASETEK try really hard to enter the server market. There is some saturation, not enough.

Seems like big copper heatsinks and a massive air conditioner cooling the server room seems to be "The way". I don't understand it.... I would never design a server room like that myself.

People like us don't mind getting our hands dirty though. Most plebs that run server rooms usually don't know hardware the way we do. Or have as many backup pieces of hardware either.

Ahhh, another benefit of being an enthusiast.
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I discovered the Asus AURA software to be pretty useless, and had the exact problem you had with the lighting settings not being saved after turning off the PSU(which as you say is necessary to turn off the motherboard lighting). Also I found if you try to sync the MB RGBs with the RGB header strip, you would have to uncheck the "sync" option, apply, recheck it, and apply again in the AURA software. However, if you change the lighting settings in the BIOS, then your settings are saved just fine, even if you turn off the power supply, and everything is synced by default.

If you tried to contact Asus support about this issue I can see why you would be frustrated, as there is no real resolution and their support techs probably just gave you the general troubleshooting rundown. My experience with Asus phone support was about as smooth as you could hope for. First Deluxe II I got was DOA and wouldn't post. They helped me troubleshoot as much as was possible until it was determined to be mobo failure, which I then RMA'd through Newegg. Haven't had any trouble with this 2nd board beyond the RGB nonsense, which isn't so bad once you decide on lighting settings you like and want to leave them that way.

Also just FYI for anyone else with a Deluxe II, the newer 0801 bios only really improves stability issues with the included usb 3.1 card according to Asus support. So if you were looking for overclocking gains from 0601 -> 0801 its probably better to stick with what you've got unless you were having issues with the 3.1 card.

Glad to see that your second board was much better. I ripped on Asus pretty bad on my review of the Deluxe II. I made it clear that it was definitely possible that I just happened to be the unlucky one that got a bad board, but I tore them one nevertheless. My biggest issue was that the support guy I was emailing back and forth with, sent me the link to the BIOS for the wrong motherboard. It was either the Deluxe I or the X99A. Cannot remember off the top of my head, but I just lost it at that point. If I had successfully flashed that BIOS, who the heck knows what would have happened? Probably a bricked motherboard?

Nevertheless, now that I have had time to calm down from that whole exchange, I can say that I would definitely still buy from Asus. My primary laptop and secondary monitor are both Asus and I have been very happy with both. I feel like a lot of the bugs that both of us saw (especially the RGB), can be attributed to it not being fully baked before release.
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I've seen a few Broadwell-E Cinebench R15 posts here and there, but not nearly as many as I expected. I expected to see Broadwell-E subs flooding the Cinebench thread.
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Oh, its really simple. It just doesn't happen. ;-)

You can have 3.8, 3.8 or 3.8... Even then you might need a fair amount of voltage.

For most use-cases I'd expect 3.5 to be easy, sufficient and not require ludicrous voltage. Some of the weenie reviewers complained about the power consumption even at that level (and they weren't wrong), but with good water/AIO cooling, even really good air, you shouldn't have to fight hard for 3.5 and it will give you good performance.

Hmmm, use cases - you must come from the software development business smile.gif

In my 6900K I could use anything less than 3820 uncore - anything more was instant chaos upon stressing. But the thought that 3800 uncore in BW-E is as good or better than 4200 in HW-E is nonsense. It only seems that way when the BW-E is the 6950X because of the extra 2 cores over the best HW-E rolleyes.gif.
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Glad to see that your second board was much better. I ripped on Asus pretty bad on my review of the Deluxe II. I made it clear that it was definitely possible that I just happened to be the unlucky one that got a bad board, but I tore them one nevertheless. My biggest issue was that the support guy I was emailing back and forth with, sent me the link to the BIOS for the wrong motherboard. It was either the Deluxe I or the X99A. Cannot remember off the top of my head, but I just lost it at that point. If I had successfully flashed that BIOS, who the heck knows what would have happened? Probably a bricked motherboard?

Nevertheless, now that I have had time to calm down from that whole exchange, I can say that I would definitely still buy from Asus. My primary laptop and secondary monitor are both Asus and I have been very happy with both. I feel like a lot of the bugs that both of us saw (especially the RGB), can be attributed to it not being fully baked before release.

I would recommend phone support in the future. They tried to get me to re-do all the basic troubleshooting for my first board over the phone, but I shut them down pretty quickly when I told them I had tried every memory config, 2 different graphics cards in every slot, multiple monitors ect..

It was a really weird issue. I ran memtest86 for 2 days on the board before I installed windows on it. Installed windows, drivers ect, changed the PC name, restarted, and BOOM! bricked motherboard. No solving that one...

Interesting side note, when I called them a couple weeks ago to ask about the new bios update, the tech randomly asked me how I felt about the on-board RGB lighting. I told him straight up the AURA software sucked and it was a pain in the ass to have to turn the power supply off just to turn off the lighting. So Asus is at least aware that there are problems and we are not the first to complain about them. Hopefully it gets addressed in a future bios update.
    
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