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Understood, the software needs to do the proper interpretation of the readings, but the readings are being done by "real" temperature sensors that convert temperatures to voltage as clearly stated in the document. Or do you suppose it's doing analog to digital conversion of software?

I just took StullenAndi's 'real' to mean 'absolute'; he wasn't saying the sensor wasn't there or was fake, but that the information it reported wasn't an actual temperature.

I have no reason to doubt that there is a DTS with a physical ADC in each core.
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I just took StullenAndi's 'real' to mean 'absolute'; he wasn't saying the sensor wasn't there or was fake, but that the information it reported wasn't an actual temperature.

I have no reason to doubt that there is a DTS with a physical ADC in each core.

When somebody twice states "there's no real temperature sensor" I take them to mean to say there's no real temperature sensor. Nothing wrong with your viewpoint when you explain it that way, but I think you're being too kind. smile.gif
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When somebody twice states "there's no real temperature sensor" I take them to mean to say there's no real temperature sensor. Nothing wrong with your viewpoint when you explain it that way, but I think you're being too kind. smile.gif

Real-temperature sensor vs. real temperature-sensor.

Both valid phrases; I just assumed the one that made sense.
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Real-temperature sensor vs. real temperature-sensor.

Both valid phrases; I just assumed the one that made sense.

Indeed they do. Just goes to show how relative language can be! Actual temperature? smile.gif
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Indeed they do. Just goes to show how relative language can be! Actual temperature? smile.gif

lol - "Thermal" sensor vs "Temperature" sensor. blinksmiley.gif
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lol - "Thermal" sensor vs "Temperature" sensor. blinksmiley.gif

The Intel PDF does use the name "temperature sensor" ... smile.gif

But, I believe we now have clarified the whole thing - there are real / actual thermal sensors a.k.a temperature sensors that make die temperature readings that need to be appropriately interpreted by the monitoring software based on the TjMax and other aspects thumb.gif
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My Gigabyte LGA-2011v3 boards assume 92C for TJmax, while my ASRock boards assume 105C. With the same reported temperature delta (what the DTS reads) this board will report temperatures 13C apart, if actual CPU temp is identical in each.

If your bios is up to date, and supports a given cpu, it should read tjmax directly from the model specific register of the cpu, and hence report the same core temperature. We are talking core temperatures, though not "CPU" temperatures which can mean different things on different platforms.

Both core temp and real temp on later cpus (after nehalem) are no longer guessing at tjmax, since tjmax is softer accessible on modern cpus. Granted, as you know, the accuracy is only within 5C at tjmax, and falls off substantially at lower temps (slope error), and each sensor may be calibrated slightly different resulting in different absolutes (in addition to other errors).

But motherboards for core temps should be reporting the same temp for core temps, unless it is not reading the correct register...unless your talking about "cpu" temp, which has had varying definitions.

I know that there is some individual calibration per cpu, hence actual number may be different, few C error, but unless Broadwell e is no longer software accessible with tjmax, should see same value.
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For my 6900K Aida uses an Automatic setting by default for Tjmax, which I imagine is getting it from the CPU. Maybe we can get Fiery to clarify.
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I haven't seen any info from Intel on what TJmax values are in years and I'm pretty sure it's up to board makers to guess at values for each model, or extrapolate them from official TCASE ratings.

The newest firmware available for the two boards I've used most often report wildly different TJmax with the same CPUs.

It's for this, and other reasons, I try to avoid mention of absolute temperature and use the TJmax delta whenever possible.
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With an MSR editor Tj is100 decimal (after converting from hex) on my 6900k. Tj is in the same model specific register on Broadwell E,ie MSR 0x1A2.

I get same value that coretemp, HWmonitor, and Realtemp all read. So Tj is still software accessible on Broadwell E.

And Intel has repeatedly stated, that TJ is absolute temp, ie 100C for 6900k, with +/- 5C error at 100C (plus sensor error, plus calibration error, ie each one +/- a few C calibration error per part. so could easily be 10C off at tjmax, and error will increase at lower temps, and below 50C can be very inaccurate.

But yes, the only thing you know for sure is delta temp from throttling, but same temps should be read regardless of which software is doing reading, unless that software is reading the wrong register.
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