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Ok, now that I finally got all of my small issues fixed in my "new" build (with quotes because the hardware was actually purchased a year ago), I've been reading up on a lot of different things to do to get the best OC without throttling the CPU. I've read about using the AVX Offset, which apparently only works when your voltages are all set to Auto, I've read about using the Asus Thermal Control tool to drop the clock speed and voltages down before throttling kicks in and then raising the clock speeds and voltages back up when running single threaded vs multi threaded applications, and I've seen where some people choose to continue to OC the CPU by adjusting the multipliers and voltages manually, like we did with Haswell-E.

With my fairly new 6950X (very new in terms of hours used), what have most people found the best way to OC these processors? Should I download the Asus Thermal Control Tool, use AVX offset with auto voltages, or manually adjust the voltages to dial in the best settings? I've also heard it's almost impossible to run a 125 strap, which was doable with Haswell-E. Any words of advice before I start trying to find my optimal OC? By the way, my 6950X is on an Asus X99 Deluxe II and I have 32GB 4 x 8GB) Corsair Dominator 3333Mhz memory. I'd really appreciate some insight to what some people feel like works best with these CPUs so I can avoid hours of trial and error. Thanks!
this is not so. the AXV offset lowers the multiplier by the Offset entered when this instructio0n set is detected... not the voltage. Yes, dl the ATCT and certainly try it. the down clock and down volt cannot be reproduced with the bios as it is so it does come in handy and will (generally) allow you ot run a higher light-load clock than a straight OC. smile.gif
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Best approach is hours of trial and error LOL...

Personally, I start with fixed voltages and then work my way to an adaptive setup for "daily driver" use. If it doesn't need to be hot and loud, then why do it?

Having played extensively with HWE before the 6950 on the same MB(s), the only real surprise was that SA had 2 sweet spots: < 1.0 and 1.20+

Ultimately, the < 1.0 just wasn't stable with adaptive voltages for me.

Mileage may vary with newer batches:
4.3-4.4 @1.28-1.36 seems to be a pretty normal CPU cap for stable 6950
3.7 is a pretty hard cap for the cache and will require 1.28-1.35+
*NOTE: From various discussions, I would not run the cache 24/7 @1.30v or do any really heavy benching. That evidently has an enormous amount of current flowing through the CPU and the paraphrase from Raja? was "the quickest way to brutalize the uncore is run heavy benchmarking at or above 1.30v".

My stable setup is adaptive CPU, offset cache, auto SA (which hovers at 1.2v under load with 128G of ram and lower with fewer dimms), LLC5 and pretty much stock settings otherwise. Ram required 1.37 initial and 1.35 eventually as well as manually putting in the sticker timings for 128G@3000

Worth noting that compared to later HWE batches, BWE voltage is higher for any given frequency. I have a 5960x that runs stable at adaptive 4.7Ghz topping out at 1.28v.

Awesome, thanks. At least I know what to expect. I was running HWE before this and was getting the same kind of clocks/voltage that you listed, but it seems like these processors aren't going to clock as high and will need higher voltage at the same clock speeds as HWE, which I imagine is from having more cores.
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When my avx offset is applied the voltage also drops. That's what adaptive does. Always did wonder how in the world does it know what volt to use when dropping the avx offset? I run 45 at 1.4voltd and drops to 43 for avx offset then the voltage is dropped to 1.34 or something like that iirc. Stable, I've tested. These computers are smart lol.
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Need to use a liquid metal TIM for the best results. Otherwise its pretty pointless to delid without it. 2cents.gif

Conductonaut is liquid metal.
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this is not so. the AXV offset lowers the multiplier by the Offset entered when this instructio0n set is detected... not the voltage. Yes, dl the ATCT and certainly try it. the down clock and down volt cannot be reproduced with the bios as it is so it does come in handy and will (generally) allow you ot run a higher light-load clock than a straight OC. smile.gif

You're right. It lowers the multiplier but not the voltage.
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Conductonaut is liquid metal.
Yeah my mistake.
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Ok, here's a small update. I increased stability significantly by adjusting one tiny little thing in bios: PLL Trim. I changed it from Auto to +15 and suddenly I was able to enter a game in BF1 and play without the game crashing or giving me BSOD. Though it's not 100% stable, I had a crash when trying to exit the game, so more tweaking is required. I'll go ahead fiddle around with the VCCU some more, The problem is that I don't know what the default voltage value for the VCCU is, I just put +0.20 on the Offset. I'm not sure if it induced stability or not. If anyone know what the default voltage for VCCU is then please let me know.

I also wonder how much can I safely increase the VRIN Voltage? I'm at 2.1v now which seem a bit high, most places seem to recommend 1.9 to 2.0 max. Also, will increasing VRING/Cache voltage help with OC stability even if the Cache isn't overclocked? According to some sources I checked, it will.

Any further tips is greatly welcome.
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Ok, here's a small update. I increased stability significantly by adjusting one tiny little thing in bios: PLL Trim. I changed it from Auto to +15 and suddenly I was able to enter a game in BF1 and play without the game crashing or giving me BSOD. Though it's not 100% stable, I had a crash when trying to exit the game, so more tweaking is required. I'll go ahead fiddle around with the VCCU some more, The problem is that I don't know what the default voltage value for the VCCU is, I just put +0.20 on the Offset. I'm not sure if it induced stability or not. If anyone know what the default voltage for VCCU is then please let me know.

I also wonder how much can I safely increase the VRIN Voltage? I'm at 2.1v now which seem a bit high, most places seem to recommend 1.9 to 2.0 max. Also, will increasing VRING/Cache voltage help with OC stability even if the Cache isn't overclocked? According to some sources I checked, it will.

Any further tips is greatly welcome.

Read this a while back and found it interesting about our chipset and mobo brands. May help you out.

http://gigabytedaily.blogspot.com/2016/06/gigabyte-x99-soc-champion-6950x.html
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good point (everyone)..Not the best way to word it just figured anyone with 6800 6850 who have delided would read and chime in.. I contacted rocklid and theirs won't work on broad well-e..I did my first 6700K with a vice worked no damage second one I got 3-d measurements from this site and for 14.00 us dollars had a safe way to do second one..great site lot of useful info !! I have read bond is harder to break on broad well-e can anyone who has done both confirm?? Roman's delid mate will look that up .. thanks

I have delidded soldered chips before for testing as has many others, most who test with accurate equipment will only get 2-5C max improvement by removing intels thicker bondline 80 w/mk solder (6-10 core cpus) and replacing with thinner bondline ~ 40-70 w/mk liquid metal. Not same as the 20+C lower temps from replacing intels thick bondline 5 w/mk paste (on 4 core cpus) with thinner bondline 40-70w/mk liquid metal. I get doing it just for fun, and nothing wrong with that. But for me, I would rather have solder and 3-4 C higher temps just for easier remounts vs delidded, not to mention the hassle of removing solder vs the 30 seconds to delid paste cpu.
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I mostly agree. The difference deliding a 6700k made was massive compared to a 6850k.
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