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2 extra cores really help: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

It's early - we're comparing a mature HW-E production to early BW-E. For me, outside of the E5 unlocks, a 10 core unlocked processor is filling the bill very well... and can benchmark well too if that's relevant. The IPC is about the same as a 6700K. Frankly, for a gaming rig, a 4.8+GHz 6700K is the sweetspot IMO.
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This is why it's best to take Firestrike, the overall score specifically with a few large granules tongue.gif. Synthetic benchmarking needs to walk the plank!

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Don't bother getting a binned 6800K if it's only going to be a temporary placeholder for more cores later on. Money towards more GPU power would be more important to me than a guarunteed clockspeed on the CPU.


Well i doubt it'll be "just a placeholder" as i likely won't be able to afford to upgrade my stuff again for quite some time. It's just more of a "compromise" between gaming and single core program performance and video editing/rendering performance. The fact that an overclocked 6800K seems to reach damn close to what a stock 5960X does even in super CPU intensive things like Cinebench that use as many cores as you have period (Here's a link showing stock 5960X getting just over 1,300 just like i said mine did, from back when the Haswell-E came out. So i'm REALLY starting to wonder if perhaps something weird is going on with the increased the Cinebench scores on Haswell-E CPU people are claiming, like the peoople on here saying they got ~1500-1600 on stock 5960X compared to my ~1,300 http://www.anandtech.com/show/8426/the-intel-haswell-e-cpu-review-core-i7-5960x-i7-5930k-i7-5820k-tested/5 )



I'm taking a decent loss when i go to sell my Rampage V Extreme after my Rampage V Black Edition 10 comes in although i guess i'd make that loss up from the savings on selling the 5960X to get the 6800K. So i'm not likely to be upgrading for a decent time, especially since i LOVE ME some ASUS Black Edition boards, which might help me fight off the urge to bow down before the LGA ~3647 Skylake-E monster socket with the 48 lanes, PCI 4.0 etc..etc.. for a bit longer.

Basically, ALL i really want is a CPU that will provide me as good gaming performance as possible while ALSO giving me something "close" to what my current video editing/rendering speed is. Like right now i'm running my 5960X at stock speed, have been for several months actually; and i'm still not complaining about render times. So if a ~4.3-4.4ghz 6800K can get within maybe 5-10% of that stock 5960X speed while getting much closer to i7 6700K ~4.5ghz gaming speed that most people run their skylake "K" SKU CPUs at nowadays, i'd be pretty satisfied as a compromise, especially since the extra ~$300 i'd make in the difference from sale price of the 5960X minus seller fees and shipping etc.. compared to the ~$450 of the 6800K would give me enough to get that 2nd GTX 1080, and MAYBE even get a set of waterblocks for them....
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Here's two more reviews of the 5960X showing ~1,300 point Cinebench R15 results at stock speed. Honestly kinda confused here if people are REALLY getting ~1,500+ stock score and near ~1,800 overclocked compared to my ~1,300 stock and ~1,600 overclocked.

http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/pc-components/processors/intel-core-i7-5960x-1276900/review/2

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Core-i7-5960X-vs-4960X-Performance-Comparison-588/page2
 
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Here's two more reviews of the 5960X showing ~1,300 point Cinebench R15 results at stock speed. Honestly kinda confused here if people are REALLY getting ~1,500+ stock score and near ~1,800 overclocked compared to my ~1,300 stock and ~1,600 overclocked.

http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/pc-components/processors/intel-core-i7-5960x-1276900/review/2

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Core-i7-5960X-vs-4960X-Performance-Comparison-588/page2

I got 1866 in CB15 with 6900k @ 4,4Ghz. The key is cache @ 3700mhz and high performance memory like 3200mhz cl14 etc... smile.gif
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I got 1866 in CB15 with 6900k @ 4,4Ghz. The key is cache @ 3700mhz and high performance memory like 3200mhz cl14 etc... smile.gif




Hmm, maybe that's it! I just checked my specs and apparently when i re-flashed my BIOS a couple days ago it set my 16GB Corsair Dominator Platinum DDDR4 2666mhz C15 kit to 2133mhz stock "approved" X99 speed. That combined with stock cache and stock 3.5ghz CPU speed is likely a quite significant change.


I wonder how much i'd gain putting my RAM back at 2666mhz and setting CPU at 4.5ghz + 4ghz cache. I'll have to try that in a bit, got me curious now. I'm most curious of what the RAM effects though, as i'm trying to discern whether a 6800K will be able to reach or surpass a stock speed 5960X, so i'll want my RAM etc.. to be same speed as in the results other people are getting on 6800K chips to be an accurate comparison.


Although really, RAM speed doesn't effect real world video editing/rendering speed much at all right? So i might just upgrade my 16GB kit to a 32GB kit with the money i save "downgrading" to a six core 6800K, which might help negate some of the rendering/editing performance loss of dropping from 8 to 6 cores. Especially since you can get a ~3000mhz kit of like Ripjaws V for the same price as ~2400mhz dominator plats. I hate to give up the bling, but it might help i suppose lol.
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I'm getting some weird numbers from Intel Speedstep, oddly disabling it gives higher single threaded performance. It shouldn't make a difference if something requires the load on a single core. Tested on both the Rampage V Extreme and Asus WS-E X99, we are talking as much as 50points in Cinebench R15 single core test, which is a lot.

But yet it has no real effect on multi threaded tests.....something aint right here.
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Physics score much faster than 16 core/32 thread 4GHz ivy-e: http://www.3dmark.com/fs/6108328
10 days ...i cant wait to test it:mad:
What is ur batch number? J or L?
J602C018
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What do you think is the sweet spot for someone who games a lot but does a moderate but not heavy amount of video editing etc.. for rendering youtube videos and stuff in Handbrake H.264 and making custom intros in Blender etc..etc..?

My current 5960X hits 4.5ghz + 4.2ghz cache@ 1.28v fairly comfortably on my RVE board (can't wait to see if my new Rampage V Black Edition gives any better results at all. Gonna sell my RVE if its at least equal which is extremely likely of course) and its definitely more than fast enough for me for rendering, but in a way i kinda wonder if i wouldn't be better off getting a Broadwell-E 6800K type chip for the faster single core perf and IPC etc.. and selling my 5960X which would save me a couple hundred even if i payed a bit over retail for a binned chip or something. The 4.4ghz 24/7 stable 6800K i can get would presumably give me closer to Skylake 6700K gaming results (especially with that new broadwell-E feature that lets you "rank" which cores clock the highest, so in loads that use one or two cores only like some games do you can program the CPU to shove the whole load on JUST the one or two cores that can hit 4.5 or maybe even 4.6ghz and downclock the ones not in use, effectively giving you a 4.5/4.6 Broadwell-E in non multi-thread optimized games) which is probably the ONLY thing i lamented about my 5960X, the fact that even a 4790K could top it in single core perf. and gaming results. When i first got it i was kicking myself for not just searching for a ~4.9 - 5ghz golden 4790K for gaming reasons.

I mean i suppose i MIGHT be able to afford a 6900K in the future, but i kinda doubt it as i'd have to probably sell my 5960X first and be without a PC for a time which would be troublesome, so i thought getting a 6800K now and maybe if i have trouble with rendering i could get a cheapo sandy xeon or something in a backup rig dedicated to video editing and rendering.
You miss very little (if anything) with the 5960X. It really is a very powerful CPU and Platform. I can't imagine the 5960X disappoints in any way. If you do upgrade, don;t side grade. Get a 6950X or stand pat and beef up your graphics or better yet... cooling.thumb.gif

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The choice between HEDT also needs to factor how many PCIe cards and peripheral devices one uses. In the past running two cards or more favored the HEDT platforms - especially on low-end FPS. Nvidia supporting dual card SLI only on the latest cards has blurred the line somewhat. However, I find the desktop platforms lack sufficient IO resources for the setups I use. Simple things like running out of USB controller resources.
This is SOOO true. Once you start with lot's of peripherals, Raid 5's or Raid 10s - it's HEDT for sure.
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This is why it's best to take Firestrike, the overall score specifically with a few large granules tongue.gif. Synthetic benchmarking needs to walk the plank!


The physics score does single out pretty well tho.
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You miss very little (if anything) with the 5960X. It really is a very powerful CPU and Platform. I can't imagine the 5960X disappoints in any way. If you do upgrade, don;t side grade. Get a 6950X or stand pat and beef up your graphics or better yet... cooling.thumb.gif
This is SOOO true. Once you start with lot's of peripherals, Raid 5's or Raid 10s - it's HEDT for sure.
The physics score does single out pretty well tho.


Naturally! It's a beast tongue.gif
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BTW, Samsung SM961 nvme 1TB is up for preorder biggrin.gif


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I ordered 2 tongue.gif
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Hmm, maybe that's it! I just checked my specs and apparently when i re-flashed my BIOS a couple days ago it set my 16GB Corsair Dominator Platinum DDDR4 2666mhz C15 kit to 2133mhz stock "approved" X99 speed. That combined with stock cache and stock 3.5ghz CPU speed is likely a quite significant change.


I wonder how much i'd gain putting my RAM back at 2666mhz and setting CPU at 4.5ghz + 4ghz cache. I'll have to try that in a bit, got me curious now. I'm most curious of what the RAM effects though, as i'm trying to discern whether a 6800K will be able to reach or surpass a stock speed 5960X, so i'll want my RAM etc.. to be same speed as in the results other people are getting on 6800K chips to be an accurate comparison.


Although really, RAM speed doesn't effect real world video editing/rendering speed much at all right? So i might just upgrade my 16GB kit to a 32GB kit with the money i save "downgrading" to a six core 6800K, which might help negate some of the rendering/editing performance loss of dropping from 8 to 6 cores. Especially since you can get a ~3000mhz kit of like Ripjaws V for the same price as ~2400mhz dominator plats. I hate to give up the bling, but it might help i suppose lol
.

erm... you mentioned having a volt mod 1080 bios? Really?
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CPUCPUMotherboardGraphics
i7 5960X i7 6950X Asus Rampage V Extreme 10 2 GTX Titan X Pascal 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
GSkill 3200c14 TZs 8x8GB @ 3400c13 Intel 750 NVMe 400GB 2x Plextor SSD 256 Raid 0 (Win 7) Samsung NVMe 950 Pro M.2 
Optical DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Plextor 810 2x XSPC RX360 Koolance 380i D5 
CoolingOSOSOS
Aquaero 6 Windows 10 x64  Windows 7 Pro Linux Mint 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Seiki 50" 4K monitor (720P-2160i) 240-30Hz Das Keyboard Model S Pro Corsair AX1200 Case Labs SM8 
MouseAudio
Steelseries Rival Ultimate Ears TF10 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
8700K ASUS Maximus X Apex GTX 1080 2x8 GB G.Skill 4400c19 
Hard DriveCoolingOSCase
Samsung 960 Pro 360Rad + Chiller Win 10 HWBOT OBT 
CPUCPUMotherboardGraphics
7740X 7980XE ASUS Rampage Vi Apex 2x Nvidia Titan Xp SLi 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
G.Skill 3600c15 2x8GB kits Intel 900p WD Raptor 1T Plextor SSDs Raid 0 
Optical DriveCoolingOSOS
Plextor DVD/BR R/W (very) Custom Water Windows 10 Pro Windows 7 Pro 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
ASUS 144Hz Ducky Corsair 1500i Microcool Benchetto 101 
MouseAudio
Steelseries Rival Ultimate ears TF10s (IEMs) 
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