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I wonder how much i'd gain putting my RAM back at 2666mhz and setting CPU at 4.5ghz + 4ghz cache. I'll have to try that in a bit, got me curious now. I'm most curious of what the RAM effects though, as i'm trying to discern whether a 6800K will be able to reach or surpass a stock speed 5960X, so i'll want my RAM etc.. to be same speed as in the results other people are getting on 6800K chips to be an accurate comparison.


I run my 5960X @ 4.6/4.2 and 2666C14 RAM and get ~1850 or so Cinebench R15
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I think BW-E is better optimised at the Cache and RAM rather than IPC, which helps much on CB R15 and 3DM.
So if you can get HW-E up to 4000mhz cache and 2800 DDR4, it will make show the IPC gains from BW-E to HW-E is inline with expectations.thumb.gif
    
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erm... you mentioned having a volt mod 1080 bios? Really?

Yeah. So far i've only messed with increasing voltage through BIOS, haven't done anything on bypassing the hard 1.25v limit that Nvidia places. The uninformed about Pascal seem to think the hard 1.25v limit actually is super important, but it only matters for LHE, DICE, LN2, and MAYBE real good Cascade etc.. as even on water you aren't getting anywhere near that. The BIOS on bascally all GTX 1080 models (Strix, G1 Gaming, EVGA SC, etc...) are limited to the typical 120% TDP etc.. and have a voltage limit of roughly 1.065v, some cards with reference PCB are even hard to get over 1.06v (and even 500mv can make a ~40-50mhz difference sometimes in a best case scenario, depending on your other OC limitations) Most GTX 1080 are limited to around 2,050mhz on air, best i've really seen in any reviews is 2,088mhz; mine hits 2,150mhz mostly due to being able to hit 1.1 - 1.11v due to the modded BIOS. At 2,138mhz which is what my 24/7 OC is (super long sessions at 2,150mhz can sometimes cause some rare artifacting in certain games, it's 95% stable though but i like 2,138mhz better just for perfect stability) the card will tend to settle at 1.096v and fluctuate up to 1.1v at times. Interestingly enough, in less demanding games like Dark Souls 3 i was able to reach the same 2,138mhz overclock with only 1.075 - 1.08v since it seems to only use between ~65-80% GPU utilization.

I haven't done extensive VRM speed testing, but i was able to push it from stock 10,000mhz effective (1,250mhz on GPU before applying all the DDR multipliers etc..) to a quite nice 11,200mhz on air. I must say the air coolers are quite good compared to older generations too! The dual fan Twin Frozr cooler on mine kept it at a very nice 54C during my Dark Souls 3 testing with ~70% average GPU utilization even with that 2,138mhz OC at a 75% fan speed, which is surprisingly quiet frankly; even stock on a reference nvidia cooler is much louder than 75% on this. At stock ~50% fan speed it stays around 65C.

Here's some pics of my overclocking with furmark and game testing:

(2,138mhz during gaming)
https://i.imgur.com/ve1zRn1.jpg

(fooling around with memory, ran it to just over 11,000 with 2,126 core. I can get 2,138mhz + 11,200mhz as my current max, haven't screenshotted it yet tho. have to do that)
https://i.imgur.com/qBcAcll.jpg

(2,138mhz during furmark)
https://i.imgur.com/z8avifS.jpg
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So you did the bios mod in Hex? Do you have a Pascal bios tweeaker? My 1980 runs 2152 at stock, but as with all these cards, they high the power limit pretty quickly and down clock substantially.
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So you did the bios mod in Hex? Do you have a Pascal bios tweeaker? My 1980 runs 2152 at stock, but as with all these cards, they high the power limit pretty quickly and down clock substantially.


What model of 1080 do you have? Is it air cooled or is it in your chilled water loop? The BIOS i'm using is a slightly tweaked version of the MSI Gaming X 1080 BIOS. MSI already tweaked the voltage limits on it some, so it allows significantly higher clocks on average than on most other cards at same silicon lottery status.

And yeah power limit can become an issue too. Most 1080's are limited to ~220 watts, even the ASUS Strix that has the extra 6 pin (seemingly due to needing a lot of that extra 6 pins wattage to run all the RGB lighting, the two 4 pin case-fan headers on the card, the triple fan cooler etc..etc..) only gets to just over 220. The better cards do a tad better on power, like for example the EVGA FTW 1080 hits 255 watts or so with max power target, my card can handle just over 300 watts at max power target.
 
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I think BW-E is better optimised at the Cache and RAM rather than IPC, which helps much on CB R15 and 3DM.
So if you can get HW-E up to 4000mhz cache and 2800 DDR4, it will make show the IPC gains from BW-E to HW-E is inline with expectations.thumb.gif

What do you mean by "inline with expectations" exactly though? You mean the ~10% IPC increase people have been estimating? I just really wish there was a way to discern EXACTLY how fast a ~4.3 or 4.4ghz 6800K with maybe 3.8ghz cache would be compared to like my 5960X @ 4.5ghz and 4.2ghz cache max overclock with same memoery speed etc..

I'm really weighing whether the increased single core perf on the 6800K (or MAYBE 6900K if i can swing a bargain on someone selling theirs after being unsatisfied with IPC gains or something etc..) and thus increased general GAMING performance more in line with the 6700K or so, would be worth dropping down to 6 cores, albeit 6 cores with ~10-12% faster IPC possibly. I figure if the 6800K is at least around as fast as the stock 3.5ghz 5960X in video rendering and such, and has a ~5-10% single core IPC increase that it may be worth it for me, especially since it'd satisfy my "gotta have the bigger number" OCD when it comes to PC parts lol


I mean if you think about it, if you get a ~10% IPC gain all around (single and multi-core) over equivalent Has-E, then for example; a 4.4ghz 6800K would be equivalent to a ~4.85ghz 5820K!!! (4400mhz x 1.10 = 4840mhz) which if i assume equal IPC of 5820K and 5960X (probably a couple percent weaker single core on the 5960X due to larger core count) means the 6800K would be ~7.5% faster in single and multi-thread than if i had my 5960X running at its 4.5ghz but with only 6 cores active.

Only problem is....those of us on here that have Broadwell-E seem to be getting a bit different numbers on how much faster clock for clock BW-E is over HW-E... So 10% isn't a confirmed deal as of yet really.
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Wow...so this turns out to basically be the ONLY thread on Broadwell-E on the site. (at least with any frequent posting as i looked through the entire first page and a half or so and saw nothing but an old "which CPU is better 5820/6800/5930/6850" advice thread and this one.

I guess Broadwell-E is just really not that popular? Huh....guess that's why the supply isn't as bad as i figured it'd be so close to release, (unlike with GTX 1080/1070 lol...good luck getting those. had to stalk the nowinstock.net forums and turn on all kinds of text alerts etc.. to get my 1080.)
 
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Wow...so this turns out to basically be the ONLY thread on Broadwell-E on the site. (at least with any frequent posting as i looked through the entire first page and a half or so and saw nothing but an old "which CPU is better 5820/6800/5930/6850" advice thread and this one.

You know I asked something similar a few pages back..lol

Still not sure to keep using the 5820k and get a Strix to go with it, then again I can get a 5960x for $400 cheaper than a 6900k, so I don't know what to do there either.
Still got 2 weeks to decide though...lol
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For anyone who's interested, I managed to get my chip stable @ 4.2ghz with only 1.19V but with RAM only @ 2333mhz.

Now I'm upping the RAM trying to get more than 3000mhz. Here's where I'm at right now.


Edited by m0oks - 6/21/16 at 12:32am
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For anyone who's interested, I managed to get my chip stable @ 4.2ghz with only 1.19V but with RAM only @ 2333mhz.

Now I'm upping the RAM trying to get to 3000mhz or more. Here's where I'm at right now.



Nice, see if it's google stress app stable, feed my curiosity
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