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Oh, they are shiny.... and that new waxy box is totally worth $1700 LOL.

I'm able to make use of the squeaked out performance gain, so I have no regrets, but anyone who already has a 5xxx should also not regret NOT upgrading unless they are doing it for the shiny...
I'm totally doing it for the shiny. Eventually I need to start editing my GBs of motorcycle riding videos, 10c may come in handy but I have to admit, I'm most likely going to be editing them soon as I get my 6950k installed to justify the $1700 bucks for the CPU and $600 bucks for R5E10 with new memory for $400 bucks. $2700 bucks... wow I'm having second thoughts before I assemble everything today in the middle of writing this post lol.
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I never understood that either... might as well buy a non-threaded processor.
lol - first becnhmark with that drive I've seen (anywhere)., thumb.gif
Jpmboy, any chance you can run a ROG 4GB ramdrive on your rig and check the speed with crystal disk? Really curious to see if it runs much faster than my current rig with what you have. Use the default crystal settings when you first launch it. Thanks.
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Even 6 cores + HT is not that good. From the digital foundary benchmark I've seen 5820K got beaten by 4790K at around similar clocks, and the 5960X got beaten by 5820K.
The more cores + HT the worse this game will scale.

The same review that you are referring to compared the 5960x at a slower clock speed to the other CPUs. The majority of 5960x CPUs I've seen will clock substantially higher than the clock rate that he chose to use for his comparison against other higher clocked CPUs. This lower clock speed is what impacted the results, not the core count or hyperthreading.
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I should've kept my 5930 too. The 6950X is a turd - 20*C core difference and max. 4.2-4.3GHz on strong LC loop.
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What's your Vcore for 4.4GHz, 1.36V?
6950X is impossible to cool past 1.30V mad.gif

Not sure what you classify as a strong loop, but when I had the 6950x, it wasn't nearly as bad as your experience. 4.5 @ 1.45v or so wasn't too bad at all considering the amount of cores that my water block was keeping tame. biggrin.gif

I went back to my 5960x, but for reasoning was unrelated to heat. With that said, the 6950x is a beast and very far from a turd.

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Not sure what you classify as a strong loop, but when I had the 6950x, it wasn't nearly as bad as your experience. 4.5 @ 1.45v or so wasn't too bad at all considering the amount of cores that my water block was keeping tame. biggrin.gif

I went back to my 5960x, but for reasoning was unrelated to heat. With that said, the 6950x is a beast and very far from a turd.


What kind of cooling are you using?
    
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What kind of cooling are you using?

EK monoblock for a x99 Deluxe board and a bunch of radiators. With fans on high, water temp stays at ambient unless I'm using the GPUs. Temps at 4.4 with 1.3x type voltage were obviously much better than 1.45v, but even at higher voltages, no real complaints. RealBench temps were lower than OCCT as they normally are on my setup.

I liked the 6950x a lot, especially on the memory side, but I didn't exactly need the two extra cores. When I compared both at max overclock with both running 8 cores, my 5960x's max overclock outperformed the 6950x's max OC by a slight margin, so I switched back. 8 vs 10, no question, the 6950x is remarkable.
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The same review that you are referring to compared the 5960x at a slower clock speed to the other CPUs. The majority of 5960x CPUs I've seen will clock substantially higher than the clock rate that he chose to use for his comparison against other higher clocked CPUs. This lower clock speed is what impacted the results, not the core count or hyperthreading.

Yes I've looked at it again and the 5960 runs at 4.4 GHz while the 5820K @ 4.6 GHz. Still 4.4 GHz is a very reasonable OC for the average Haswell-E processor, only the latest batches manged to easily go beyond 4.4 GHz, and the comparision is fair between all the three CPUs.
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Not sure what you classify as a strong loop, but when I had the 6950x, it wasn't nearly as bad as your experience. 4.5 @ 1.45v or so wasn't too bad at all considering the amount of cores that my water block was keeping tame. biggrin.gif

I went back to my 5960x, but for reasoning was unrelated to heat. With that said, the 6950x is a beast and very far from a turd.


From my experience the AVX test of OCCT is not very useful at determining instability and the OC might not necessarily be 24/7 stable in real world usage. A few hours passed OC in the AVX test can fail within minutes using the normal OCCT Large Data Set test.
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and the 5960X got beaten by 5820K. The more cores + HT the worse this game will scale.
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The same review that you are referring to compared the 5960x at a slower clock speed to the other CPUs. The majority of 5960x CPUs I've seen will clock substantially higher than the clock rate that he chose to use for his comparison against other higher clocked CPUs. This lower clock speed is what impacted the results, not the core count or hyperthreading.
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Yes I've looked at it again and the 5960 runs at 4.4 GHz while the 5820K @ 4.6 GHz. Still 4.4 GHz is a very reasonable OC for the average Haswell-E processor, only the latest batches manged to easily go beyond 4.4 GHz, and the comparision is fair between all the three CPUs.

I think you may have shifted focus when replying to my comment. I was simply pointing out that the 5960x was run at a different clock speed than the 5820k and 6700k, which was something you didn't mention. You can't necessarily attribute the deficit to core count and HT if they weren't even run at the same clock speed.

With regards to your follow on comment, we have different opinions on fair comparisons. I can respect that.
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From my experience the AVX test of OCCT is not very useful at determining instability and the OC might not necessarily be 24/7 stable in real world usage. A few hours passed OC in the AVX test can fail within minutes using the normal OCCT Large Data Set test.

The topic at hand was temps. I'm not quite sure if your speculation of stability supersedes stability verified first hand, but I'll stick with the latter. thumb.gif
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Those are some low temps. My temps skyrocket from ~36c idle to 85c+ when running occt.



i either end up turning it off, or it shuts itself down.. at 4.2ghz 3000mhz ram, it seems stable for the 5 minutes or so I can run it. At 4.3ghz my pc crashes within 1 minute

i7-6850k with noctua NH-D15S cooling
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Running real bench on a 4.4/1.35v 6800k.

So far I'm happy with the temps I'm getting.



4.5 may be a challenge. We'll see. Seems like I have some head room temps wise.
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