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Yeah I agree it should be equal and in some games may provide a healthy boost having the additional power under the hood. Overall the upgrade after selling my existing board will cost right at $800 but that doesn't include the $400+ for the ram kit (which I plan to get the Z 3200 CL13) out of the gate I'll be running only 2 8 gb sticks while I save for a new full kit. It's a ton of money for sure but doing it now give me time to save for the 1080ti sli. Can't say I won't smile wide every time I look at my computer running the 6850K rampage v edition 10 and two 1080tis under custom water blocks wink.gif


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Seriously man, you'll have truly underwhelming results if you actually look at ingame benchmarks.

You're going to be spending like $100 per frame of performance.
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The 6850K is a $1000 cpu!

Hyperthreading threads are really only good for like 10-20% perf boost, and I believe there are still apps the run better with HT disabled. So adding 2c/4t is all about adding the extra 2 cores.

So you get 2 more cores. That's great. But seriously go find some benchmarks between 8x and 16x for bandwidth. It's really an almost non-existent performance boost.

So if you want to go drop 1080SLI money on upgrading your CPU+platform for gaming, you might even go backwards with the clock speed loss. The extra 2 core will only be helpful if you do encoding or other multi-threaded heavy tasks.
I'll agree that x16 vs x8 has historically been a wash and very well might still be a wash. With the 900 series cards there began to be a small performance hit using x8. I think someone here did the test and it yielded about 3-5% loss by running x8. I'm trying to get info on the 1080 to see if there exist a difference with DX12 games on current gen cards but haven't found anyone willing to run the test. With the "best core" overclock the single core program gap will close a good deal if you max out the OC on that core. As for gaming yes most games are coded for 4 cores but with physics becoming increasingly popular on CPU like Witcher 3 for instance the x99 platforms will perform better. It's really a tough call on which is better for sure but this machine will be a work horse doing video transcoding for plex server, gaming, editing, engineering programs etc. not to mention a benching rig.

What will be interested to learn is if BW-E will behave like Skylake and scale significantly with memory. There are a lot of variables at play to say which is better for what but just clock speed is not enough to base off of. The increased IPC will help make up for this and only decent reviewers or hands on experience will tell the entire story IMO


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Yeah I agree it should be equal and in some games may provide a healthy boost having the additional power under the hood. Overall the upgrade after selling my existing board will cost right at $800 but that doesn't include the $400+ for the ram kit (which I plan to get the Z 3200 CL13) out of the gate I'll be running only 2 8 gb sticks while I save for a new full kit. It's a ton of money for sure but doing it now give me time to save for the 1080ti sli. Can't say I won't smile wide every time I look at my computer running the 6850K rampage v edition 10 and two 1080tis under custom water blocks wink.gif


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Sound good, i have 64GB Dom Plat now @3200mhz but i will wait the 3200 C14 or C13.. also can't decide between the V extreme or the Strix tongue.gif
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You're thinking of this wrong.

You have 1 thread that's maxed out on 1 core and a bunch of other thread sucking up free resources. The 5820K will always show more free CPU because the auxiliary threads won't soak up a whole cpu. So because you have unused cores you see more free CPU time. Even if you were CPU limited, in those cases you'll still be limited by single threaded perf, so CPU usage is the wrong metric to look at. 1 full pegged CPU core is only 8.3% CPU usage.
Because we know for a fact that a single skylake core at 4.6ghz does a lot more work than a Haswell core at 4.2ghz, this statement effectively means CPU is irrelevant for gaming. What may also be true is a Sandy Bridge at 4.8ghz may perform the same in gaming.


Games are predominately GPU limited. Get more GPU save your money on the CPU.

I know about that, in BF4 the thread number 2 maxed out with 5820k @3.6ghz while at 4.2ghz or more i see 90% max.. while with 6700k @4.6ghz that thread hit 85% max.. so not big difference
    
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The 10x0 cards use a new GPU bridge for SLI to negate the PCIe bandwidth issue. So PCIe bandwidth should be even less of an issue.

http://techreport.com/review/28751/intel-core-i7-6700k-skylake-processor-reviewed/7

Witcher 3 isn't even CPU limted on a 6700K at 120fps. If you want it for video editing so be it, but the HEDT chips just aren't better enough for gaming to be justifiable for any gamer.
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The 10x0 cards use a new GPU bridge for SLI to negate the PCIe bandwidth issue. So PCIe bandwidth should be even less of an issue.

http://techreport.com/review/28751/intel-core-i7-6700k-skylake-processor-reviewed/7

Witcher 3 isn't even CPU limted on a 6700K at 120fps. If you want it for video editing so be it, but the HEDT chips just aren't better enough for gaming to be justifiable for any gamer.
Yeah I agree Witcher is not CPU limited but the new expansion, GTA V, fallout 4 all show significant improvements that yield more cores are beginning to trump clock speed. Now I have no idea what the future will bring but multi core optimization seems to be increasingly popular in mainstream games. I don't plan on changing the CPU for 3 maybe 4 or more years who knows but by then I feel multi core optimization will be the next big play for CPU gamers but that's just my opinion and can be totally wrong haha.

Here is a rather old game and extreme example but this trend seems to be increasingly popular with major releases.



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Dark IMO go with the rampage V. Will you benifit from it? I don't know maybe not but IMO if I'm going to spend 600+ on a CPU and nearly 2 grand on GPUs, $400+ eventually on ram etc the one thing I don't want to cheap out on in the board that controls it all lol. Before anyone gets on my for this I realize it's not exactly a logical argument but this is how I see it haha.


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If you don't purchase new hardware based on logic, then none of our recommendations matter.

Personally, I think the jump from 908 TI's to 1080's would be pretty pointless. Even less so the jump from Skylake to Broadwell-E.
     
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If you don't purchase new hardware based on logic, then none of our recommendations matter.

Personally, I think the jump from 908 TI's to 1080's would be pretty pointless. Even less so the jump from Skylake to Broadwell-E.
Maybe I mistyped I do not plan to make the jump from my 980tis to the 1080 but I do plan to make the jump to the 1080ti. I game and work on my 4K tv and while the 980ti sli works pretty good it lacks the power required to game in 4K by about 25%. The 1080ti sli should be all I need for some time. While I am dropping a lot of the x99 and 1080ti platforms I don't plan on touching the rig for several years to offset the upgrade a bit.


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If you don't purchase new hardware based on logic, then none of our recommendations matter.

Personally, I think the jump from 908 TI's to 1080's would be pretty pointless. Even less so the jump from Skylake to Broadwell-E.
Maybe I mistyped I do not plan to make the jump from my 980tis to the 1080 but I do plan to make the jump to the 1080ti. I game and work on my 4K tv and while the 980ti sli works pretty good it lacks the power required to game in 4K by about 25%. The 1080ti sli should be all I need for some time. While I am dropping a lot of the x99 and 1080ti platforms I don't plan on touching the rig for several years to offset the upgrade a bit.


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My bad, I was just reading too fast.I guess not touching your rig for a few years makes up for it, but I don't see how you could do it. I can barely keep my hands off mine for 6 months! tongue.gif
     
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If you don't purchase new hardware based on logic, then none of our recommendations matter.

Personally, I think the jump from 908 TI's to 1080's would be pretty pointless. Even less so the jump from Skylake to Broadwell-E.
Maybe I mistyped I do not plan to make the jump from my 980tis to the 1080 but I do plan to make the jump to the 1080ti. I game and work on my 4K tv and while the 980ti sli works pretty good it lacks the power required to game in 4K by about 25%. The 1080ti sli should be all I need for some time. While I am dropping a lot of the x99 and 1080ti platforms I don't plan on touching the rig for several years to offset the upgrade a bit.


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My bad, I was just reading too fast.I guess not touching your rig for a few years makes up for it, but I don't see how you could do it. I can barely keep my hands off mine for 6 months! tongue.gif
Well I may be shot for saying this but once I get the 1080ti Im hoping I can keep my hands off of it. With the 6850k if Intel follows the past it will be 2 years before the new chipset (x109?) launches. Meaning IF I want to sell the 1080ti that will be the only item to be replaced for the next two years minimum even if I wanted to. I don't know honestly I'm torn between making the jump to x99 or not. The 6700k is a sweet chip but if I broke down and bought another I would get a binned 4.8Ghz chip which is only around $150 less than a 6850K. It's the upgrade itch I'm fighting now that's taken over me but I'll wait a few more days before I decide what to do and read reviews heavily.


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