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post #21 of 47
GTFX also gets much slower, and the roughness fades away especially after a water wash

But it remains frictionless and offers some control, really not a bad mouse pad besides not being totally flat. I also agree it's way better than the gsr which felt inconsistent
post #22 of 47
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GTF-X is much faster then G-SR.
G-SR is imo a horrible bad, its weird insane stopping power makes it so weird when doing smaller movements.

Taito does not have that insane weird stopping power G-SR have.
Some like it, but its to much for me personally, when not playing FPS its just to much for me.

Glorious was better then G-SR for me, both satin medium speed/control pads.
QCK Heavy got much lower initial friction for smaller movements then G-SR.

I used G-SR for a week but I hated it every second of that week, now its back in the package and among the graveyard with other pads.
Trying the Glorious 5mm XL now, feels better.

I have no Idea how some people think G-SR is faster then QCK Heavy.
QCK heavy have MUCH lower friction when comparing them next to each other. G-SR is better while the mouse is in movement yes, but when you stop or do smaller adjustment it have like the highest friction of all pads (something some people also mentioned in reviews, the G-SR thread here on OC etc)

G-SR is smoother yes since its satin, same as glorious, some xtrfy pads etc, that does not mean lower friction though.
Tried the GTF-X, Glorious XL 5mm, G-SR, QCK Heavy a ton last week all at once. And G-SR is by FAR the slowest unless I am doing bigger swipes etc, it does not bother me While playing a FPS. But for everything else it does.

GTF-X -> QCK HEavy -> glorious -> G-SR for me in terms of lowest friction, initial and continous.
For me its important to have low friction while doing smaller movements. Something the G-SR is horrible at since its stopping power is insane, higher then any pad I ever used. To much (again reviewers like Rocketjump mentioned this as well, people in the G-SR thread mentioned this, and also compared to the likes of QCK Heavy)

Qck heavy is only fast when new, once you burn it in with mouse movement the friction increases. As for the G-SR, everybody has their own opinion, personally I don't agree with what you have said about it, I don't have the black version so I don't know if it changed, but the stopping power or w/e doesn't bother me at all.

I can imagine the pad would feel different for each mouse though. I couldn't use my g303 on a goliathus speed at all without feeling lost of control, while on the Qck it was flawless. And the g400 being perfect on the speed. Each mouse can differ.

Imo the differences between the g-sr and Qck heavy are pretty small. The G-SR is just softer with less friction. I will never believe the Qck heavy being faster than anything, I don't think you have used yours enough.

But then again it's been said that the weather/temp in the room can affect the performance of the g-sr, not sure if true or not, personally I haven't felt a change.
Edited by Aymanb - 6/3/16 at 5:31am
post #23 of 47
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I think my Taito and Sargas are pretty equal to each other. Just did a quick test and the results weren't that different:
great control on the spacious move but way too restrictive on smaller areas, when trying to aim precisely or drawing small letters in paint for example.

Atm I see two possibilities:
- placing a smaller pad ontop of the Sargas (my daily and quite used "work mat")
- replacing the Sargas by another XXL mat

Is there maybe something that has an overall medium friction but less of that stopping power on the initial move?
Thickness should'nt be that intense: the 2mm felt very pleasant so far and those thicker pads, such as the Taito or Mantis (5mm afaik), really suffered from wrist movements, wearing the outter areas very fast. Fine stitched edges would be an option in this case.

Regarding the precision:
I am currently using a CPI of 1600 due to my screen size (21:9) and the heavyness of the Naos 7000. Will probably lower it a bit in the near future, depending on the chosen pad and mouse (which won't be that heavy). Could also use different values for desktop and gaming but I think it will mess up with my muscle memory due to the constantly varying accelerations.
Edited by Dr Strangelove - 6/3/16 at 5:34am
post #24 of 47
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Originally Posted by Nivity View Post

GTF-X is much faster then G-SR.
G-SR is imo a horrible bad, its weird insane stopping power makes it so weird when doing smaller movements.

Taito does not have that insane weird stopping power G-SR have.
Some like it, but its to much for me personally, when not playing FPS its just to much for me.

Glorious was better then G-SR for me, both satin medium speed/control pads.
QCK Heavy got much lower initial friction for smaller movements then G-SR.

I used G-SR for a week but I hated it every second of that week, now its back in the package and among the graveyard with other pads.
Trying the Glorious 5mm XL now, feels better.

I have no Idea how some people think G-SR is faster then QCK Heavy.
QCK heavy have MUCH lower friction when comparing them next to each other. G-SR is better while the mouse is in movement yes, but when you stop or do smaller adjustment it have like the highest friction of all pads (something some people also mentioned in reviews, the G-SR thread here on OC etc)

G-SR is smoother yes since its satin, same as glorious, some xtrfy pads etc, that does not mean lower friction though.
Tried the GTF-X, Glorious XL 5mm, G-SR, QCK Heavy a ton last week all at once. And G-SR is by FAR the slowest unless I am doing bigger swipes etc, it does not bother me While playing a FPS. But for everything else it does.

GTF-X -> QCK HEavy -> glorious -> G-SR for me in terms of lowest friction, initial and continous.
For me its important to have low friction while doing smaller movements. Something the G-SR is horrible at since its stopping power is insane, higher then any pad I ever used. To much (again reviewers like Rocketjump mentioned this as well, people in the G-SR thread mentioned this, and also compared to the likes of QCK Heavy)

Qck heavy is only fast when new, once you burn it in with mouse movement the friction increases. As for the G-SR, everybody has their own opinion, personally I don't agree with what you have said about it, I don't have the black version so I don't know if it changed, but the stopping power or w/e doesn't bother me at all.

I can imagine the pad would feel different for each mouse though. I couldn't use my g303 on a goliathus speed at all without feeling lost of control, while on the Qck it was flawless. And the g400 being perfect on the speed. Each mouse can differ.

Imo the differences between the g-sr and Qck heavy are pretty small. The G-SR is just softer with less friction. I will never believe the Qck heavy being faster than anything, I don't think you have used yours enough.

But then again it's been said that the weather/temp in the room can affect the performance of the g-sr, not sure if true or not, personally I haven't felt a change.

My Heavy I have is like 8 months old and used, and still lower friction then G-SR.
Its not just me, others said the same QCK heavy vs G-SR. And some say the other way around.
I think its because of the weird stopping power though. As I said when I move the mouse its ok. When stopping and starting again the friction is enormous.

Tried KPM, Rival 100, Deathadder, Rival etc. With various feet like tiger, hotline, stock. Same thing.
G-SR is softer because its a satin pad.
I used Heavy for years before as well, and to me it always had fairly low friction, since it does have low initial friction as well.
post #25 of 47
Thread Starter 
Hm, im not sure about the QCKs cause of the edges... it drives me mad when the upper layers is separating itself from the base from time to time and constantly flapping around my wrist wha-smiley.png

Zowie P-TF X (355 x 315 x 3.5)
Zowie G-TF X (480 x 400 x 3.5)
Mionix Sargas XLarge (900 x 400 x 2.5)
maybe Glorious G-XXL (914 x 457 x 3)
maybe Glorious G-XL (457 x 406 x 2)
maybe Cooler Master Swift-RX XL (900 x 360 x 3)

Any further experiences with these?

In general I prefer the thinner XXL pads.
Could also tryhard the new Sargas XL, but Im not sure whether they fixed the LOD issue and how responsive the mat feels in terms of stopping at low speed.
post #26 of 47
Roccat Taito Control, with stitched edges:
http://www.amazon.com/ROCCAT-TAITO-Control-Endurance-ROC-13-170-AM/dp/B0102OA1BG/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1464991802&sr=8-2&keywords=roccat+taito

They describe it as a "control" mousepad, so I'm assuming that means more resistance.

And there's always the Roccat Sense, for an unbelievably low price in varying graphics. It has nearly the same surface area as the Razer Goliathus, for comparison.
Goliathus: 444 x 355mm or about 17.5 by 15 inches.
Sense: 400 x 280mm or about 15.7 by 11 inches

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=roccat+sense&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Aroccat+sense
    
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post #27 of 47
If you need a pad either Raindrop or Glorious Gaming depending on your need.

Both are large, inexpensive, easy to find and have their own qualities to satisfy most users.
post #28 of 47
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Decided for the Mionix Alioth XXL now because of the reportedly very responsive and even waterproof surface, the stiched edges and the 20% dicount at their store biggrin.gif

As for the mice I made some changes. Ordered so far:
Mionix Castor, Razer Deathadder Chroma, Logitech G303 and Gigabyte XM300. Did not go for a G502 because I am uncertain in terms of its shape and buttons. The Zowie EC2-A is currently unavailable. Won't be back on Caseking before the end of June / early July.

The Castor and DA Chroma are already here. My first impressions:

Castor:
Great shape you can really grip into at the bottom. Perfect for faster movements and flick shots. However, I do not really know where to place my ring finger. It feels like the edge on the right side is in the way and placing the finger above and below does not feel that comfortable and natural for the moment. Otherwise its really a great mouse. The sensor feels snappy and responsive, very equal to the Naos but with lighter movements (due to less weight) I would say. Left and right click have a good feedback, feel very tactile. RMB clicks a bit louder on my sample though. But altogether the clicks do feel as nice as for the Naos. Futhermore the wheel is a much easier to scroll and does not snap in that much (feels less tactile but is much faster to move on the other hand). The side buttons are smaller and much less tactile. Feels like a lighter version of a LMB with less click response / feedback.
The mouse, its buttons and the sensors do not rattle at all (such as the Naos). The cable has the same braiding and feels way too stiff again.

DA Chroma:
Also a great shape but more of one where you lay your hand ontop instead of gripping into (at the bottom). Feels larger over all.
Sensing is also good so far but somehow the Castor feels faster to move. I even pushed the 3989 up +100 DPI to match it to the Mionix but still the Castor feels a bit faster and responsive. Maybe its because of the design (better grab into the shape) making you think you move a lighter mouse. Or it might be the fact that I am used to Mionix' implementation of the 3310, idk...
In terms of clicks the DA is slightly faster with less actuation force and travel distance.But on the other hand LMB and RMB do not feel that tactile and responsive. The right one also feels slightly mushy. I guess those will wear down much faster than the buttons of the Mionix.
Nevertheless the wheel feels very nice. Equal the one of the Naos I would say, tactile and snappy. The side buttons have a good size, tactile feedback and actuation force (will not be clicked by accident). The cable is a bit thinner than the Castor’s and less stiff. Its also a bit offset in height so it will not scratch the pad that easily.
Furthermore there are no worrying quality issues. Everything is properly attached and there is no rattling. The only thing I noticed is that the rubber stands off a millimeter at the front of the right side. But thats just a tiny detail you won't notice in daily use, just when lowering the pinky finger to the very bottom at the front.

I will now take some furhter time to compare them in practice. So far I am more with the Mionix despite the issue with ring finger placement...but I will see how they compete in games after some hours.
Hopefully the G303 and XM300 will arrive tomorrow so I will have some more mice to compare smile.gif
Edited by Dr Strangelove - 6/9/16 at 10:54am
post #29 of 47
the G303 shape is starting to grow on me. sensor is great. clicks are great. i just HATE THE CABLE. this cable is garbage. this is probably the worst cable i have ever seen. this cable is terrible.
so i bought a G302 cable to replace it, but i might just ask CeeSa if i can buy something fancy off of him..

can't believe you bought so many new mice though. is the plan to return all but the one you like the most? or are you nuts?
post #30 of 47



Dis 3090 adns mouse though! I rediscovered imperator 2012 with a perfect optical sensor for it! Better, wayyy better, i repeat thrice, wayyy better palm grip than G502!!! Tried a couple of csgo games, 1st one was as warmup , slowly we won in mge ranked 5v5 game, 2nd game started as blow out 6-0, and i'm 9-1 in frags, awp shots were so ugly, i decided to take m4, and give Ts chance lol, but grip is insanely stable, not like g502, and not even g402, even with less comfortable sitting position it's amazingly fun to shoot, and i don't seem to feel any high LOD with this 3090 / 4000dpi implementation. The awping is real with this, i guess this one wins over my beloved g402 in awping, easily, grip is 1:1 fully stable, hand doesn't slide anywhere awkwardly, mouse has the most perfect ride side i guess ever, why didnt get this earlier.. ofc sound superhyped, need more weeks with this moouse, but I sense that it doesn't lower my abilities
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