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"Location, location, location."

UK pricing is basically the same as most European countries. And keep in mind all EU countries have 20-22% tax included in advertised price. compared to USA and I think Canada adding tax on top of advertised price.

True but Canadian tax is also ridiculous, and tahts from someone whose been a few times in 2 provinces. Sometimes buying things in the UK from different european countries comes out way WAY cheaper as well. All youd have to worry about would be a plug converter or getting a new plug.

I had to buy a keyboard in the UK (too used to qwerty i had to) and it came out to about the same as buying one here so it really depends on what and where.

Ie steam users in India getting Witcher 3 for like 5£.
    
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They hum off beat either pwm or voltage control it doesnt matter. The NF14 i have at exactly 1050rpm its a lil hum almost sounds off balance kinda thing. If i put my finger on the back of the fan over the motor the vibrations go into my finger no more hum.

They do seem to be more expensive here, issue is i have a US bank account and buy in Euros buttkick.gif so ends up costing even more lol. Theres some exceptions but its pretty bad. My 29um68 ultrawide actually came out the same here and on newegg after conversion so not too bad.

And yea french wine, we have nice ones in store that are like 10€ lol.

Sounds like a bearing thing - I'd RMA the fan. Or learn to type with one less finger. biggrin.gif
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Sounds like a bearing thing - I'd RMA the fan. Or learn to type with one less finger. biggrin.gif

Yea its fine now i just set it at 1100 instead of 1050 with the fan controller so not an issue but yea eventually ill test one by one and see which ones hum. Ive got SIX years to do it.
    
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I live in Canada. Prices are fifferent and options are limited.

Amazon.ca sells noctua fans directly with free shipping 2-3 days. Prices are similar as other fans or even less.

Then there is 6 year warranty.

Imho noctua is the best option here because everything is a ripoff here in canada plus 13% tax.
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Not expensive if you buy fans without paying through the nose for their name. tongue.gif

Sure, Nocs are good fans, but honestly you are paying at least as much for the Noctua name as for the fan itself. I've used many different fans and can say there are many fans just as good as or better than Nocs (and other high priced fans) that are not near as expensive.

My go-to 140mm fan for years has been the Thermalright TY-14x series fans; mostly TY-140, TY-147, TY-147A and TY-143. The first 3 are the same fan with only color change and TY-147A having 300-1300rpm instead of 550-1300rpm (I know specs say 800rpm, but believe me they idle at 550rpm). TY-143 is same fan on steroids with ball bearing and runs 600-2500rpm.. Independent testing shows they are near identical to Noctua A14 fans, but cost much less. Until about a year ago I could buy the TYs' for £5-8.00 each while Nocs were £13-22.00 each.


Edit: Forget all this garbage about liquid metal TIM. Yeah, it's a couple degrees better at most, but the next 25-30 name brand TIMs are all less than 2c different. Optimizing case airflow will give you 5-15c lower temps. and lower noise levels at the same time. wink.gif
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I live in Canada. Prices are fifferent and options are limited.

Amazon.ca sells noctua fans directly with free shipping 2-3 days. Prices are similar as other fans or even less.

Then there is 6 year warranty.

Imho noctua is the best option here because everything is a ripoff here in canada plus 13% tax.

Noctua is not the best in Canada. There is many good fans for less than half what noctua sells here.

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Noctua is not the best in Canada. There is many good fans for less than half what noctua sells here.

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Not hard to find, unless you want to pay $25-40 for noctua. You have Fractal, Arctic, scythe, Swiftech, enermax. Just to name a few. Most of these are under $15.

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Not hard to find, unless you want to pay $25-40 for noctua. You have Fractal, Arctic, scythe, Swiftech, enermax. Just to name a few. Most of these are under $15.

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Thanks for your generally not too helpful generalizations.

First, Scythe, sadly, is no longer distributed in Canada - what is sold is left over stock from a happier time. While the original S-FLEX 120mm fans were/are great and comparable to the 120mm Noctuas, none were PWM however, so high speed models could never spin down to silence. If Scythe still made the S-FLEXs, they would be within 10% price of Nocs and others. That series was never cheap - but it was worth the cost. (I still have a good inventory of S-FLEX D, E and F - glad I bought extras when I could even if they cost $18 CDN each 5 years ago)

The remaining available 120mm Slipstream sleeve bearing models on Amazon.ca are close to twice the price of 120mm Nocs. Some of the Scythe 140mm models are very good, if available. But, sleeve bearings, meh.

The Fractal models (HP) that compare to Noctua are actually as or more expensive at most places and only have a limited 1 year warranty. While a 1 year warranty might be acceptable for you, it's not for me.

The Arctic models are decent values, better warranty than Fractal, but all the models I've used from 80mm to 140mm have wide variability and do not match comparable Noctua models for low noise. There are good value fans, it's just that last 3-6dB of reduced noise and a smoother noise profile costs more. Not just from Noctua either.

The Swiftech fans I've used are noisier, less efficient than AC and others. Enermax has a few decent 120mm models - none that are as well-rounded as the Noctua P12 in my experience.

The Darkside GTs are available in Canada and are my fav 120mm fans. However, they are one of the most expensive. But, worth it, to me. The EK Vardars are very good as well, albeit with some QC issues, that I haven't experienced with GTs.

The best value 120mm fan in Canada, imo, is the Rosewill Akasa Apache rebrand at $10.99 CDN. Better than AC F12, still not nearly as good as the GTs tho for airflow vs noise.

You didn't mention the Cougar series. They have a few well regarded models, but they aren't half the price of Noctua - usually within +/- 10%.

Other than a few exceptional models and special sales, with quality fans, you get what you pay for. Even in Canada.

If you're paying $40 CDN for a Noctua fan, then you haven't shopped around enough. The redux series run from $15-20 and the choco and cream models are $23-29 CDN if you look.

Personal computers are all about making personal choices. If you don't like Noctua on principle, that's your choice.

I'm not a Noctua fanboy, or any other commercial entity - unless they hire me to work in their marketing departments. I judge the merits of individual fans for my own use in my own systems.

There is no perfect fan - all make noise in order to move air. It's all about choosing the best compromise for our own applications. And we all make our own decisions on what the best value is. It's not always about the lowest price. In fact, it rarely is.

If you care to share your experiences with specific models that you found superior to a specific Noctua model, I'd like to hear about it. For broad generalizations, I've got the rest of the internet for that. At OCN, we can do better.

Hope you have a generally good day. tongue.gif
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Noctua is not the best in Canada. There is many good fans for less than half what noctua sells here.

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Then proove it.

Show me replacements for the 2 fans I ordered Which are cheaper AND just as quiet AND have as as much airflow AND has amazing warranty like Noctua 6 year.

https://www.amazon.ca/Premium-Quality-Technology-NF-A14-PWM/dp/B00CP6QLY6/ref=pd_sim_147_5?ie=UTF8&dpID=410Eacbw5WL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_&refRID=C7S9BEB8J9J4FPRCBY39

https://www.amazon.ca/Setting-Anti-Stall-Bearing-NF-S12A-FLX/dp/B00BEZKX8Y/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1465092093&sr=1-1&keywords=noctua+nf-s12a+flx

Don't generalize. Show me ACTUAL LINKS that I use to order in Canada. Also, don't forget shipping.
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Cougar Vortex (FDB) are quite decent for their price.
Phanteks SP (retail, not bundled) are very good as well, performance wise on par with be quiets Silent Wings 2 and not suffering from any bearing noise.
Fractals Venturi are superior in any way, even better in overall noise/performance ratio than Noctua (NF-A14 for example). But the HP PWM are pretty bad though because of their commutation noise. Had some HP-14 early this year and they sounded really loud due to the rattling bearing. Dunno if they fixed those quality issues meanwhile. But the HF are really great on the other hand: top performance and whisper quiet. In terms of performance they can even match up to Noisblockers eLoop.
Pure Wings 2 are worth to mention, as well. Despite the rifle bearings they have an overall decent value.
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