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Another disastrous effort from AMD, really no shock at all when you look at how bad their products continue to be and how dumb their decision making has been for the past decade. The best they can do is a card with similar performance to a $400 card released in 2013 at $200? You can already pick up second hand 290s and 390s for cheaper than $200. Can't wait for the advertising on the big die "Similar performance to a Titan X for only $599!!!!!!". Oh but wait, it saves a whole 90W!! Remember the early Maxwell era when AMD users would constantly put down that power savings doesn't matter and that the 970/980 should be directly compared to the 290/290x with power numbers not being counted? Sure is funny how those tables turned.

If AMD makes it into 2017 without filing bankruptcy, I'd honestly be shocked.
 
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Another disastrous effort from AMD, really no shock at all when you look at how bad their products continue to be and how dumb their decision making has been for the past decade. The best they can do is a card with similar performance to a $400 card released in 2013 at $200? You can already pick up second hand 290s and 390s for cheaper than $200. Can't wait for the advertising on the big die "Similar performance to a Titan X for only $599!!!!!!". Oh but wait, it saves a whole 90W!! Remember the early Maxwell era when AMD users would constantly put down that power savings doesn't matter and that the 970/980 should be directly compared to the 290/290x with power numbers not being counted? Sure is funny how those tables turned.

If AMD makes it into 2017 without filing bankruptcy, I'd honestly be shocked.

 

Most definitely. A company hurting for market-share choosing to address the largest percentage of the market is so stupid. What a terrible business move. And of course, logically, releasing this card is proof that AMD's engineers are pants-on-head retarded and this is the absolute best they can do. Terrible company, terrible products, may they leave us in peace sooner rather than later.

 

I for one welcome our new incremental-improvement overlords with open wallet and blank cheque.

     
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comparing 4GB cards to a 3.5GB card. ouch.
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Another disastrous effort from AMD, really no shock at all when you look at how bad their products continue to be and how dumb their decision making has been for the past decade. The best they can do is a card with similar performance to a $400 card released in 2013 at $200? You can already pick up second hand 290s and 390s for cheaper than $200. Can't wait for the advertising on the big die "Similar performance to a Titan X for only $599!!!!!!". Oh but wait, it saves a whole 90W!! Remember the early Maxwell era when AMD users would constantly put down that power savings doesn't matter and that the 970/980 should be directly compared to the 290/290x with power numbers not being counted? Sure is funny how those tables turned.

If AMD makes it into 2017 without filing bankruptcy, I'd honestly be shocked.

Is it wrong that I want an nVidia monopoly just to watch you suffer?
    
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Is it wrong that I want an nVidia monopoly just to watch you suffer?

You mean AMD right?
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Well, bait did work.
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Hilarious posts in this thread.

Why?

Simply because:

ASync DOESN'T MATTER if developers don't implement it

Compute Shaders DON'T MATTER if developers don't implement it

Phys-X DOESN'T MATTER if developers don't implement it

DX12 performance DOESN'T MATTER if developers don't implement it


I could go on and on.

Right now AT THIS TIME we have one single game that uses A-Sync IN THIS FORM (there are many forms of Asynchronous workload options within the DX12 API) so basing assumptions about future performance based on one implementation this early in an API's life is a bit hasty.

Another thing that should be mentioned is this talk of ASync is a red herring since there are other features (RoV, Conservative Rasterization, etc.) which AMD doesn't support or doesn't optimize for. If those are implemented in a game, what would be said?


In the end it all comes down to how (or if) developers choose to utilize these tools. Some will, some won't.
@SKYMTL

Asynchronous Shaders matter - every major console game of 2016, enough for you?

Compute Shaders you say? - almost all games released since summer 2015 has had GCN in the lead, I'm talking about the entire product stack has had GCN beating Nvidia handily.

Conservative Rasterization - where is this mysterious feature? Why would any dev bother with the implementation if it will never work on consoles? How can anyone compare AMD's lack in this feature to Nvidia's lie about Asynchronous Compute?

Nvidia claimed that Maxwell supports asynchronous compute - seeing as though many prominent devs are talking about this feature, it may serve your readers to investigate what is talking Nvidia so long with respect to this fundamental feature of DX12/Vulkan.

If the "Journalists" of HardwareCanucks lack the knowledge about GPU architectures, maybe they can hire an OCN member to consult them on the article - maybe: @Mahigan
Edited by MikeDuffy - 6/3/16 at 1:52pm
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@SKYMTL
You're some kind of Journalist? Which site do you work for?

Statements such a yours a clearly what's wrong with Tech Journalism in the first place - ignorance.

Asynchronous Shaders matter - every major console game of 2016, enough for you?

Compute Shaders you say? - almost all games released since summer 2015 has had GCN in the lead, I'm talking about the entire product stack has had GCN beating Nvidia handily.

Conservative Rasterization - where is this mysterious feature? Why would any dev bother with the implementation if it will never work on consoles? How can anyone compare AMD's lack in this feature to Nvidia's lie about Asynchronous Compute?

Nvidia claimed that Maxwell supports asynchronous compute - seeing as though many prominent devs are talking about this feature, it may serve your readers to investigate what is talking Nvidia so long with respect to this fundamental feature of DX12/Vulkan.

If the "Journalists" of HardwareCanucks lack the knowledge about GPU architectures, maybe they can hire an OCN member to consult them on the article - maybe: @Mahigan

Personal attacks won't make you look any smarter, just saying.
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post #699 of 1250
Ugh. This has just turned into a storm of nonsense... Just throwing a few things out.

TDP =/= power consumption
Pascal = software async compute that uses CPU, GCN = hardware accelerated concurrent async compute + graphics.
RX 480 = GTX 980 equivalent costing $200 for 4GB and $230 for 8GB. Anyone who downplays this value is either trolling or has an irrational bias.
FL12_1 was an unnecessary feature level to cater to nVidia so that they can pretend their Maxwell cards had superior DX12 support compared to GCN while they clearly didn't.
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it doesnt use the cpu at all otherwise the impact would be great and it would have shown on the benches on site...
pascal is brute forcing it nothing more nothing less if it was a software solution maxwell would have seen even a bit of win since its practicly the same card..
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