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Thank you very much for sharing this experience. By your suggestion, I checked up Ethereum. The calculator speculates that Ubuntu OS has a 13% higher performance than Windows 7 X64, is it true?

No its about the same.
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I still don't understand how they would not want all their cards to sell out. Is that not how money is made? selling all the product? I am not saying you are wrong, just a business noob trying to understand.

Cards are made for gamers. If miners buy most of the cards gamers will buy Nvidia GPUs. its fine for the year the cards sell but next year with new GPUs those games that bought Nvidia will buy Nvidia again.

Most people buy nVidia to begin with.

Even if the price of RX 480 gets to $300, it'd still be a decent deal.
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Mining is as big as it was when the 290 came around.

Litecoin prices were just starting to boom and everyone and their dog was trying to cash in.


That is no longer the case. With GPU Mining you will never break even with card cost and power cost. Better off converting USD into Bitcoin and going from there if you really want to play the alt coin stock market.


The RX 480 should be a pretty nice card for the Power usage/Performance. Would be nice to see Vega sooner than later though. But most people will be looking at a card like this when getting a new card. Most people are not looking at $400+ video cards for their system.


Though was kinda hoping AMD would pull a 290, and release a card that even nvidia wasn't expecting.

The RX 480 is looking like the new 4870, a cost effective high performance video card.
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Because Miners are evil to AMD. Look that they did before. They will take cards away from games. Gamers will buy Nvidia GPUs. Market share goes down. Mining with GPUs goes down and market full of used mining cards people do not want to buy.

What... that makes no sense.

AMD's issue since I've really been following both brands have been
1. Late to the party
2. Can't supply enough for the demand.

When Hawaii AMD couldn't keep up with the demand and was snapped up by all buyers a like. So again the issue wasn't "miners" it was AMD not being able to keep the items in stock.
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What... that makes no sense.

AMD's issue since I've really been following both brands have been
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2. Can't supply enough for the demand.

When Hawaii AMD couldn't keep up with the demand and was snapped up by all buyers a like. So again the issue wasn't "miners" it was AMD not being able to keep the items in stock.

No. Prices where high. They had enough cards. 290X where selling well over MSRP. 290X was not late to the part. Either way mining is bad for AMD and AMD gamers.
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What... that makes no sense.

AMD's issue since I've really been following both brands have been
1. Late to the party
2. Can't supply enough for the demand.

When Hawaii AMD couldn't keep up with the demand and was snapped up by all buyers a like. So again the issue wasn't "miners" it was AMD not being able to keep the items in stock.

The fact you couldn't get a 290/290x for months was 100% due to miners. Hell you could sell a 7950 on ebay at the time for about as much as it cost at launch.


I was apart of the mining group, and it was huge at the time the 290 hit.


GPU mining today is mostly dead.
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No. Prices where high. They had enough cards. 290X where selling well over MSRP. 290X was not late to the part. Either way mining is bad for AMD and AMD gamers.

Why does AMD care what people do with their cards? They still get paid and probably a TON of money when they couldn't keep the 290s in stock for months. Honestly the GPU mining was great for AMD and if miners decided to buy the 480 it'll be great for them again.
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Why does AMD care what people do with their cards? They still get paid and probably a TON of money when they couldn't keep the 290s in stock for months. Honestly the GPU mining was great for AMD and if miners decided to buy the 480 it'll be great for them again.

Again you have no idea what you are talking about. 290X MSRP was $550 and dols much more than that. Money that did not go to AMD. 290X would have sold out with mining there or not. So many people where waiting for custom models. By the time whose hit prices where already high. It was cheaper to buy the faster at the time GTX780 Ti. Miners are not gamers. They bough a lot of cards. That does not really increase market share. If you check market share you will see 290X/290 did not even increase is 1%. Now after mining was dead around summer time the used market was full of 290 and 290 selling for as low as $200. People where not buying those. They instead bought the more expensive GTX970 and 980 becuase they where new and fresh. AMD took the biggest market share lost.
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Why does AMD care what people do with their cards? They still get paid and probably a TON of money when they couldn't keep the 290s in stock for months. Honestly the GPU mining was great for AMD and if miners decided to buy the 480 it'll be great for them again.

Losing marketshare because miners buy up all the cards, and then flood the used market with GPU's once the fad runs out is not good for business..

The mining craze severely damaged AMD's GPU side and their marketshare/mindshare. Short term they can make money off the miners, but long term... well we all know what happened there.

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^ Got beaten to it. tongue.gif
Edited by GorillaSceptre - 6/10/16 at 11:40am
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No. Prices where high. They had enough cards. 290X where selling well over MSRP. 290X was not late to the part. Either way mining is bad for AMD and AMD gamers.

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The fact you couldn't get a 290/290x for months was 100% due to miners. Hell you could sell a 7950 on ebay at the time for about as much as it cost at launch.


I was apart of the mining group, and it was huge at the time the 290 hit.


GPU mining today is mostly dead.

Yes, but it also had to do with again people bought them. I know members on launch had 290/X on these forums. But again it was snapped up and bought by people and just like the GTX 1080 at launch was reselling for massive amounts because of supply and demand.

AMD's supply chain wasn't big enough to deliver the demand that people had for them.

Miners aren't bad people, their just like any other customers that's gonna do what they wanna do with their purchased good.
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Yes, but it also had to do with again people bought them. I know members on launch had 290/X on these forums. But again it was snapped up and bought by people and just like the GTX 1080 at launch was reselling for massive amounts because of supply and demand.

AMD's supply chain wasn't big enough to deliver the demand that people had for them.

Miners aren't bad people, their just like any other customers that's gonna do what they wanna do with their purchased good.

Having more card would have not made a difference for AMD. Back then you could literally ROI 290X in less than 2 months. People build farms lol. Its that crazy.
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